Stop Losses are killing me

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Sequoia1321, Jul 1, 2020.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Just let it run to the SL gets hit ??
     
    #71     Jul 2, 2020
  2. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    Initially yes, I give it time to either stop out or move in my favor. Once a $20ish stock or etf like TZA runs up .50 or more I tighten trailing stop to .3 or tighter
     
    #72     Jul 2, 2020
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  3. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Likely better than picking a top which is generally to early.

    Improvise adapt and overcome comes to mind!
     
    #73     Jul 2, 2020
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  4. bone

    bone

    I personally don't like my clients using trailing stops and I advise against it - from my experience trailing stops would take them out of a winner way too early. Was just a recurring problem for clients doing it. And it's devastating - using long term charting they would target 50 or 60 tics, get cute with a trailing stop, get stopped out for a 15 tic winner, and a couple days later it would have been 60 tics. That type of thing. Just the ebb and flow of routine market behavior would get them out of a trade way too early.

    We've found it to be way more effective setting a profit target and stop-loss using modeled OTR trading range and staying with that. Getting cute can bite you square in the ass.

     
    #74     Jul 2, 2020
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    OK thank you. That makes sense.
     
    #75     Jul 2, 2020
  6. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    You’re killing yourself.
     
    #76     Jul 2, 2020
  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup:
    Welcome to the club, same here.
     
    #77     Jul 2, 2020
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  8. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun


    I had 2 trades today in TZA, a small stop (buy 20.7 sell 20.2) and a big WIN (buy20.41 sell 21.4). Perfect 2:1 risk:reward. If only I'd traded larger size. In this winning trade I tightened trailing stop to 21.4 as it broke over 21.5 because length of pivot run was exactly same as in prior day chart. That's a pro example of pattern daytrading,

    Pete, agree re t/s often get shaken out too early; that's why I start wide, then tighten; def not for newbs tho.

    Worked great:

    tzasell.jpg tza2july.jpg
     
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    #78     Jul 2, 2020
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    I respect both you coaches and do follow your posts with great interests.

    Here are some feedbacks from this amateur retail:

    I tried hard stop and didn't end well. I tried trailing stop and did better, so +1 for @KCalhoun. But quite often got stopped out way too early. I tried no stop, let it ran and often they were quite disastrous.

    So I gave up day and went swing with mental stops. That is way too much work. Now I am back to trying to automate my mental stops.
     
    #79     Jul 2, 2020
  10. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Depends on what your trading, fast scarey break out plays then might be better off with a trailing SL to exit, obviously some will be fake and little profit turned to a loss, but then you'll likely hold longer your way, if you walk away.
     
    #80     Jul 2, 2020
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