stop losses are for loooosers

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by primemover, Jun 29, 2005.

  1. Actually, that was not a metaphor. It was a simile.

    What? This is not the grammar thread? Sorry.
    :D
     
    #21     Jun 29, 2005


  2. forrest,

    the key is to remain unbiased. i agree, if one becomes biased after entering a trade, and refuses to take a loss its not good.

    it's fixed price stop losses i have found to be damaging. not taking a loss based on market action after entry.

    i have found stops based on time are more effective than ones based on fixed predetermined price.
     
    #22     Jun 29, 2005
  3. plugger

    plugger

    I'm going boating after work today. Anyone up for a ride. By the way, there won't be any life jackets on board and we'll stay a random distance from shore. That'll make it more interesting as we'll guess as to whether we'd be able to swim back.
     
    #23     Jun 29, 2005
  4. Not bad, plugger. Welcome aboard.
    :D
     
    #24     Jun 29, 2005
  5. gnome

    gnome

    By definition.... if the stop is "more likely to be hit" then its placement has not been more logical.
     
    #25     Jun 29, 2005
  6. Hi all,

    I'm not english mother tongue so sorry in advance for errors.

    In my experience I have to agree that stop losses increase total losses of the systems.

    Of course it depends on wich type of trading system and wich type of money management rules you are using, but if you are using a short short term system on stocks(not an intraday system) and you risk maximum 3% of the equity, it's better for you not to use stop losses, otherwise stop losses will literally eat all your capital.

    This is not in theory, but in my own experience.
     
    #26     Jun 29, 2005
  7. So, what happens Your profit target is +$ 200 and the trade went -$ 150 against you. Do you hold onto it to get profitable?
     
    #27     Jun 29, 2005
  8. Sounds like you're not too confident about your boats sea worthiness or in your captains skill at navigation.
    Perhaps you should just stay tied up to the docks.
     
    #28     Jun 29, 2005
  9. if the future at any one point in time is normally distributed, it doesn't matter whether you have a stop or not - stops shouldn't change your expectancy in such a perfect world.

    this is most of the time when everyone in the market is running around doing their own thing and the ticker tape is just spewing out a random walk

    but once in a while a horn blows and everyone starts rushing in one direction towards you. academics call this criticality. I call it a mob stampede

    whatever it is, the tape starts going relentlessly in one direction. so if you believe tails can be fat on occasion you want to use stops to cut off those fat tails before they have a chance to whack you.
     
    #29     Jun 29, 2005

  10. well said, my non english trading brother.

    :)
     
    #30     Jun 29, 2005