Stock Traders and Mortgage

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by traderwald, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. oversea

    oversea

    In my experience, having gone through the process last year for a jumbo loan, this information is wrong. Really wrong.

    To use capital gains/investment income to qualify for a mortgage, Fannie Mae guidelines, require two years worth of tax returns demonstrating the amount of income needed to qualify for the loan. My understanding, is that Fannie Mae guidelines are used as a basis for pretty much all residential loans - even for my jumbo/non-conforming loan that won’t be picked up by an agency, their guidelines were still used as a basis,albeit with some additional enhancements. (Not to say that just bc the guidelines will allow it, every lender will be willing to do it - but these people make their money by making loans, so if the guidelines support it, you can bet they’ll make a push to get their underwriting to approve it.)
    In practice, some lenders will require three years worth of tax returns demonstrating the income, rather than just the two.
    Most, if not all, underwriters will also require you to demonstrate that even after your down payment and closing costs, you still have an adequate amount of funds to continue generating at least the same amount of income (this part they don’t make a real science about, though).

    Don’t get me wrong, they’re almost certainly going to drive you crazy given your line of work, especially if you have a situation that you’re trading from multiple accounts or anything which complicates arriving at your PnL. They’re going to want extensive amounts of bank statements and brokerage statements that will be uncomfortable providing to them for various reasons. But this stuff about ‘no conventional lender will give a loan to a trader’, is crazy. (Maybe circa 2009 it was like that? I wasn’t in the market then, so wouldn’t know.) I didn’t speak with a single lender that wouldn’t give me a loan.

    Of course, speak with a CPA about this and your taxes in general, but don’t just go ahead and start forming LLCs based on the info provided above.

    Here is the link to the FM guidelines about capital gains:
    https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/selling/b3/3.1/09.html#Capital.20Gains.20Income
    I fortunately was able to dig this out of my email from last year, an underwriter had sent it to my mortgage broker/banker who then forwarded it to me.
     
    #11     Mar 2, 2019
  2. Of course, it seems to me that it is important for them to open their own company in order to work.
     
    #12     Jan 29, 2021
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  3. Sidiusss

    Sidiusss

    It seems to me that the creation of a Limited company will help them get more privileges in obtaining a mortgage.
     
    #13     Apr 14, 2021
  4. Sidiusss

    Sidiusss

    Since all the company's income will be presented, which will be a good argument when preparing documents. In most cases, mortgage loans are issued to small companies without any problems, since their solvency is much higher than that of Sole Trader. Considering the numerous options for mortgage lending, you can choose the most favorable conditions for concluding an agreement, thus not limiting the company in development. For example, my father was able to apply for a later-life-lending on favorable terms, given his retirement status. Fortunately, he has a good monthly income that allows him to pay off debt on a regular basis and develop his small business.
     
    #14     Apr 14, 2021
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  5. ryreidl

    ryreidl

    If I just got out of work, can't I get a mortgage loan?
     
    #15     Aug 22, 2021
  6. fialongom

    fialongom

    I guess you can, but what exactly do you want to buy. What do brokers offer?
     
    #16     Aug 22, 2021
  7. deaddog

    deaddog

    Mortgage on a place you already own or are you planning on buying a place and have a down payment.
    You will have problems getting a mortgage with a decent rate if you can't show an income stream. The lender wants to know how you intend to pay the loan back.
     
    #17     Aug 22, 2021
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  8. clemensmc

    clemensmc

    I seriously doubt it. As previously stated, you can't take any substantial sums if you don't have a job.
     
    #18     Jan 17, 2022
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  9. Most lenders require at least 2 years of good income. You can do this with tax returns, or if you are self employed, you can pay a little more in "insurance". This is at least how it is where I am.
     
    #19     Jan 17, 2022
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    Good+ good community banks are much more flexible+ hopefully you have a savings account with them .
    [Like my banker dad told when i was kid ''remember the bank wants to loan you money , son just pay it back''] Personal= most community bankers would value a local small business more then IBM+ they should. Good bankers value character more than even collateral, which can be easy to cheat on.........................................................................................
    I borrowed money also from WFC thru a mortgage broker also. But be be prepared to give them an IRS release on your taxes, that way, you cant defraud the bank very easily on your CPA prepared taxes.:caution::caution:
     
    #20     Jan 31, 2022