Stock Swing Traders

Discussion in 'Journals' started by coolweb, Jan 2, 2006.

  1. Tips for traders:

    I use to future trade P/V only. , so I apply the same ideas to swing trading.

    Here are some fut applications:

    As Swing traders we are looking for followup and sustenance,

    When you head into 11:00 - 1:30 and the market is down,

    One should never initiate postions on any short lived rallies because follow up will be nonexistent, Only enter positions when 1-2hour rallies followup is Available.
    That is, if you want : once in always porfitable method at least for the day.



    Market Overview:
    Clearly we are still in a short term bear market, why is this?
    Earnings are taking the market higher, No followup are taking the market down in the afternoon.
    + obvious under 50ma

    <b>
    Do not be tricked into short term rallies. No matter how good it looks!
    </b>

    While many may look quite appealing , watch the volume and you will notice , there is no 2000 share volume is going to jump no stock price 10-20 cents.

    It will drop right back,

    A stock that is strong will never drop to your position in the first place, if it re-rallies, there better be some huge volume backing it or its just specs with too much time on their hands.



    I believe initiating swing postions in a bear market is quite hectic because lots of people want into good stocks, but specs/mm will drop bids anyway , so the chop will be intense. Even strong stocks will drop back to original positions because the buyer walks away knowing price will be lower unless he seens support.
     
    #101     Jan 26, 2006
  2. monee

    monee

    Any swing traders long 1 hour from the close last nite and still long in ES/ER or YM ?

    I chickened out and couldn't hold thru the dip the eventually ended at 10:30.

    It sure seems like to get the big gains you have to be confident in your entry , willing to hold till a target and not mind giving up a decent % of open profits to acheive that gain.
     
    #102     Jan 26, 2006
  3. ===============

    Something like that, except related to energy sector;
    & have missed nice part of moves in BR also.
    Like to short GM again except haven't,for 50 day moving average.

    Thought coolweb was swing trading at first glance;

    :cool: read all journal, now looks like a good way to keep drawdowns low,for some personalitys, like CMS energy trade.

    Helpful comment moneE, actually would rather give up some of the big gains[ if have to], keep drawdowns reasonable when possible.Have posted real time losses/gains before, losses aren't hard ,but don't like unnecessary pressure to take profits

    Wish could keep drawdowns Coolwebs CMS size, haven't yet;
    but with slippage , NOC uptrends helping ,
    still like BR related energy sector. Not a prediction/stock tip.

    :cool:
     
    #103     Jan 26, 2006
  4. Murray,
    What do you mean by BR energy related?

    Brazil ?
    Name a few symbols you are watching :) thanks
     
    #104     Jan 26, 2006
  5. Yes.

    I took a long ER2 position last night at ~721.30. Sold 2/3 at close, still holding 1/3 with a 3 point trail.

    I fought hard all day not to sell this morning, 10:30 was very tough. I wanted to wash the trade sooo much but there were NO sellers... That's the way the ER2 has been lately - the sellers are either all gone or waiting...

    Mike
     
    #105     Jan 26, 2006
  6. pbw

    pbw

    Jcom -- seems to be going into a trading range which may possibly short -- low volume scares me a bit... and range compressions also likely mean short.. just my two cents...
     
    #106     Jan 26, 2006
  7. I have entered


    CMS
    14.80


    STOP 14.79/78

    Only thing I worry about is this thing gapping down on me on monday, I don't think it will, so I have put in smaller size to reduce risk.

    Early in has its risks.


    I have added other positions, but don't think thats worth mentioning :)

    My new game:

    1/2 Out on profit, 1/2 Hold for long.

    Always in profit.
     
    #107     Jan 27, 2006
  8. CMS removed earlier , market was dropping like a rock

    14.78/9
    -0.01.5
     
    #108     Jan 27, 2006
  9. Master of price action?? I think not :D

    I am just giving you crap for saying that in an earlier thread. No big deal, we all make losing trades sometimes.

     
    #109     Jan 27, 2006
  10. Steve,
    :(



    OK I have traded myself into some positions and ended the day holding

    a pack of

    HAL Market Day Executed @ 78.42
    HAL Market Day Executed @ 78.13
    STOP : 78.42

    Idea: Price will continue to rise and should NOT look back.


    I have been trading with a 500-1000 share size, I feel I have a better handle on slippage with this size.

    For Hal a big player, I can increase size without fear because of liqudity, but it depends really. Sometimes theres only 1x1 on size, Whats a player to do to get out here :D


    I think a big part of my game will be take 1/2 profits at exubernace, , hold the other half @ breakeven.

    I've been taking quite a lot of profits like that today, Its been working well.

    Although such stocks as WFR dropped way below my entry, I sold way high up hah!, I think the key will be to measure the "exuberance" , think about it, Ask oneself, Am I feeling lucky today ? Am I pissing in my pants with excitement? If so -> sell 1/2. And act accordignly, once making 3-5% take 1/2 off, let the rest ride in my fat account.

    Thats what investing is about,
    Letting the winners run.

    And run hard it will.

    I hope :<

    Consistency is key, Nothing is more important then being consistent.
     
    #110     Jan 27, 2006