Still Not Sure How I Will Vote

Discussion in 'Politics' started by oldtime, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. health care is not a right. It's a luxury I can afford and willing to pay for if you are too poor to afford it yourself. Same with food. But that's about it. All the rest you need to figure out yourself.
     
    #51     Oct 24, 2012
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    BINGO!
     
    #52     Oct 24, 2012
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    Well said. My own view is that the problem of the baby boom's healthcare is best (but not entirely) solved on the supply side, and I believe the AMA made a similar statement a year or two ago. I see it happening in Canada, an expansion of powers to nurses and physician's assistants, esp. for the more routine procedures, even prescriptions apparently.
     
    #53     Oct 24, 2012
  4. people talk about health care like the whole United States is sick and just about ready to die.

    I can't remember the last time I have been to a doctor, and it didn't cost me that much.

    oh yeah, now I remember, bad accident, 10 grand for 8 hours in some god forsaken hospital in Pennysylvania, just to tell me I would probably be ok.

    then they wanted to keep me there over night for "observation."

    that's when I just pulled all that crap out of my arms and just walked out

    they even sent the security guard after me

    he was pretty cool and said, "We can't keep you here, but you do need to sign a release form."

    and for the next year I kept getting bills from clinics all over the United States. The one that cracked me up was $320 wheel chair rental. You would have thought by now the hospital would have just bought their own wheel chair to save their patients some money.
     
    #54     Oct 24, 2012
  5. jem

    jem

    Yes completely... in economics marginally this equals marginal that. When something goes out of balance in one area, it goes out in others.

    Look at this cycle. And there are plenty more.
    China has 1.5 trillion in currency to deal with.
    They could put on the market but they know it would put pressure on their artificial peg.

    So wall street guys say why don't we (bury it) in second second mortgages and put some crazy mortgage insurance on it from these guys are willing to blow up AIG for short term bonuses. So Americans get cheap mortgages on the last 20 percent of the purchase price of just about any price. Prices of houses skyrocket, wall street guys and mortgage guys make crazy money. (by the way it is these now worthless types of assets the Fed has paid for with QE... which is debasing the dollar and stealing the savings of old people and real wages of the middle class)

    We have a massive bubble and massive mis allocation of american brain power and industry for over a decade. We have mortgage, financial guys, realtors, lawyers bascially and entire service sector which was 50 to 70 larger than we needed.

    We have half of america with upside down houses.

    All this money allows Wall Street bankers to get an even firmer grip on politicans.

    And that is only one system screwed up by china's peg.
    There are hosts of industries in America and Latin america which are not existent.

    15 years ago... there was a golf manufacturing industry in so cal which was cool.

    Ruger made heads. Al sorts of graphite shafts were made here.
    I was friends with all sort of material phd types make shafts and thinking about other inventions and improvements.

    At the time I was a young attorney who watched my Dads friend put to together a very cool nasdaq company. I learned some very interesting things about business fro that guy.

    All that is in china now.
     
    #55     Oct 24, 2012
  6. you sure about 1/2 upside down mortgages? Don't think the figures will back that up, and the trend is less and less going under and more and more going up.
     
    #56     Oct 24, 2012
  7. jem

    jem

    Upside down was technically the wrong word. I should have said underwater houses. I was not looking at mortgages just buy points and net if they were to re sell now.

    What I was thinking when I wrote it is almost everybody who has bought a house in the last decade is underwater when you consider transactions costs.


    I extrapolated that is about 50% of the homeowners.
    I could be wrong about the extrapolation.
     
    #57     Oct 24, 2012
  8. jem your rationalizations are no more valid than the looney leftists, thinking tariffs do anything but shift increased costs onto American consumers by govt interference.

    If china wants to sell their labor and materials to us ultra-cheap .
    I say let them knock themselves out.
    You fail to see the "broken window " fallacy at work here.
     
    #58     Oct 24, 2012
  9. jem

    jem

    Lets go at this another way.
    Everything we were taught and hear about capitalism and economics really boils down to one thing.

    Price is a better at allocating societies resources effectively than any other system.

    For price to allocate resources effectively you have to have free trade.
    If trade is not "free"... if a country puts up barriers or manipulates currency price is no longer an efficient signal.

    Note there are other times when price does not reflect full information as well..


    For instance if an industry threatens to pollute the entire planet with radiation... the govt should step in and force them to deal with their waste better... driving up the costs of a kilowatt hour. Now we can better decide carbon or nuclear.

    In short when a country who exports as many goods as they do to us... manipulates the currency and thereby price... is can really screw up our allocation of resources.

    Now the invisible hand might say in the long run this will come back to balance...

    but as Keynes said... in the long run we are all dead.
     
    #59     Oct 24, 2012
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    Excellent argument for cap and trade, or if you prefer, a carbon tax.
     
    #60     Oct 24, 2012