Sticking to the Plan...NOT!!!

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by John9999, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. They

    They

    You program your system to stop you out, that's it. Either by way of each individual trade within a system or a system itself or a basket of systems, either by time, by contracts traded or by adverse price movement. Alternatively you can be always in the market with a basket of systems and one will hedge another.

    One system can fade fake out spikes another can trade a real move/trend. Some can do both and you accept the beating when there is a momentum shift in direction.

    The image below is an example of a system that is designed to do what I can't do manually.

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    #31     Nov 5, 2018
  2. qlai

    qlai

    So the question was in a context - can you automate emotions out of trading? If your system has stops, it will most likely bail out at the back-tested "maximum pain," which to me is pretty "emotional." Discretionary traders can determine, what to algo looks identical situation, to either exit, add, or stay put. Both algos and manual traders do make bad decisions from time to time. It's not exclusive, both have merits. I just don't believe there is salvation in automation.
     
    #32     Nov 5, 2018
  3. They

    They

    You can automate away the emotion that comes with 'I missed the entrance', 'I didn't follow my stop loss', 'I didn't let my winner run', etc. As far as stops go I think most profitable systems traders are looking to minimize risk and thus are not basing their stops on a max pain threshold that would certainly lend itself to emotion.

    I definitely agree that automation is not salvation from emotion, that comes with the ability to trade from an intellectual perspective vs emotional one, to not operate from one's amygdala when facing a financial loss or any other life experience that doesn't provide immediate gratification to the mind and senses. However, automation will force one to stick to their plan, if they have one.

    Somewhat related I recently met a guy that worked for David Einhorn for 10 years. He was an analyst. He would rip apart around 15 companies at a time but said in the end it came down to gut feel on which company they would choose to take a stake in or short. He retired early because he said he destroyed his gut biome. He couldn't eat anything for a year but rice after retiring. So, emotion runs deep, all we can do is try to minimize it.

    https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article/76/7/481/4985887
     
    #33     Nov 5, 2018
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  4. Handle123

    Handle123

    You have to learn acceptance. You won't be in every trend, but you try to learn why you miss some of them, so they become learning experiences.

    I kept a "dumb" journal for 20 years plus, any trade that wasn't in rules, I put trade in journal and monitored it but not into account, after 10,000 of these, I added up I was wrong 95% plus of the time, so I learned my emotions were wrong, but can be used and programmed as patterns form. So long as you can identify a pattern, it can be programmed.

    When all else fails, apply a tens unit between your legs and switch to highest unit for a "second" any time you violate your rules, only takes once a year. If you married, let your spouse do controls if you trust them, ROFLMAO. People tend to change due to intense pain, or water boarding to give information, we use it all the time to get information out of the enemy. In trading, "we" often worst enemy.
     
    #34     Nov 5, 2018
  5. fan27

    fan27

    Yikes! Did he get a parasite?
     
    #35     Nov 5, 2018
  6. They

    They

    Some people told him that. Ultimately, he said he is grateful for the life change as now he has more time with his kids and really likes rice. :D
     
    #36     Nov 5, 2018
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  7. John9999

    John9999

    So getting back to my original post. I get an A+ for today. My system gave zero entry signals so I mAde no trades. This is huge progress. Many mAny times in past I would say “close enough” and hit go. I don’t remember the last time I was live all session and took no trades. The thing is that I didn’t feel that urge to make something happen. I’m very proud of that.
     
    #37     Nov 9, 2018
  8. rb7

    rb7

    Congrat!
    That's really good, you didn't lose any money today.
    Next step is to trade while still not losing money.
    It's Friday, markets are closed tomorrow, meaning at least 2 days in a row without losing.
     
    #38     Nov 9, 2018
  9. mlawson71

    mlawson71

    Deviating from one's plan happens to everyone from time to time and the reaction is always pretty much the same, but the only thing you can do is accept it and try to move on while resolving to avoid that in the future. I do that, up until the next time I deviate from my trading plan. :(
     
    #39     Nov 15, 2018
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  10. Grentez

    Grentez

    I dont see anything terrible in the fact that we sometimes deviate from the plan, we are all human and can not function as programmed robots
     
    #40     Nov 29, 2018
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