Stephen Hawking on human extinction

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. Yes, limiting your viewing of Fox News does add to your smart guy qualifications. Unless of course you're watching because of Megyn Kelly then it's OK to watch, she's hot.
     
    #41     Jan 9, 2012
  2. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    FOX is unwatchable. Megyn is hot though.
     
    #42     Jan 9, 2012

  3. First words of the petition " We urge the US to reject the Kyoto agreement.........

    anything beyond that is irrelevant as this could be all the signers want to do. Then there's this....


    "The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating: "The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

    "To say that the oft-touted "30,000 Global Warming Petition" project stinks would be the understatement of the year.

    I thought it would be timely to once again break down this flawed piece of global warming denier propaganda after it was mentioned last night in Daily Show host Jon Stewart's interview with US Energy Secretary of Energy, Dr. Stephen Chu.

    .1% of Signers Have a Background in Climatology

    The Petition Project website offers a breakdown of the areas of expertise of those who have signed the petition.

    In the realm of climate science it breaks it breaks down as such:

    Atmospheric Science (113)

    Climatology (39)

    Meteorology (341)

    Astronomy (59)

    Astrophysics (26)

    So only .1% of the individuals on the list of 30,000 signatures have a scientific background in Climatology. To be fair, we can add in those who claim to have a background in Atmospheric Science, which brings the total percentage of signatories with a background in climate change science to a whopping .5%.

    The page does not break out the names of those who do claim to be experts in Climatology and Atmospheric Science, which makes even that .5% questionable [see my section on "unverifiable mess" below].

    This makes an already questionable list seem completely insignificant given the nature of scientific endeavor.

    When I think I'm having chest pains I don't go to the dermatologist, I go to a cardiologist because it would be absurd to go to skin doctor for a heart problem. It would be equally absurd to look to a scientist with a background in medicine (of which there are 3,046 on the petition) for an expert opinion on the science of climate change. With science broken down into very narrow specialties a scientific expert in one specialty does not make that person an automatic authority in all things science.

    In this way the logic of the 30,000 petition is completely flawed, which isn't surprising given its questionable beginnings.


    The Petition's Sordid Beginnings

    The petition first emerged in April 1998 and was organized by Art Robinson of the self-proclaimed "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" (OISM) [their headquarters are the Photo Inset].

    Along with the Exxon-backed George C. Marshall Institute, Robinson's group co-published the infamous "Oregon Petition" claiming to have collected 17,000 signatories to a document arguing against the realities of global warming.

    The petition and the documents included were all made to look like official papers from the prestigious National Academy of Science. They weren't, and this attempt to mislead has been well-documented.

    Along with the petition there was a cover letter from Dr. Fred Seitz (who has since died), a notorious climate change denier (and big tobacco scientist) who over 30 years ago was the president of the National Academy of Science.

    Also attached to the petition was an apparent "research paper" titled Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide. The paper was made to mimic what a research paper would look like in the National Academy's prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy journal. The authors of the paper were Robinson, Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon (both oil-backed scientists) and Robinson's son Zachary. With the signature of a former NAS president and a research paper that appeared to be published in one of the most prestigious science journals in the world, many scientists were duped into signing a petition based on a false impression.


    An Unverifiable Mess

    Time and time again, I have had emails from researchers who have taken random samples of names from the list and Google searched them for more information. I urge others to do the same. What you'll quickly find is either no information, very little information or information substantiating the fact that the vast majority of signers are completely unqualified in the area of climate change science."

    Given all this it seems to me that anyone touting this as proof that "global warming is a hoax" completely misunderstands the process of scientific endeavor or has completely exhausted any real argument that rightfully brings into to doubt the reality of climate change."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/the-30000-global-warming_b_243092.html


    98% of all climatologists agree in the fact of man-made global warming
     
    #43     Jan 9, 2012
  4. Damn. I knew someone would call me out on that one. I'm glad I wasted your time assembling all those.

    :p
     
    #44     Jan 9, 2012
  5. When Megyn is on I watch and nod my head in agreement. I have no idea what she's saying.



     
    #45     Jan 9, 2012
  6. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    Notice he is unable to address the bogusity of the Hockey Stick graph but yammers on and on from the AGW talking points he gleaned from the Huffington Post.

    Global Warming is a cult/religion. If it wasn't AGW they would find some other way to intrude upon our lives.
     
    #46     Jan 9, 2012
  7. pspr

    pspr

    LOL. I like they way he quotes from the Huffington Post. It's a bastion of scientific thinking -- ha ha ha ha. :D

    If you can't impugn the facts, impugn the messenger.
     
    #47     Jan 9, 2012
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    During my search for his name calling posts I recall seeing where he also claimed he doesn't read Huffington Post. :D
     
    #48     Jan 9, 2012
  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Gotta keep things honest.
     
    #49     Jan 9, 2012
  10. pspr

    pspr

    That's because she is not only a lot better looking than you are, she is a lot smarter than you are. :D
     
    #50     Jan 9, 2012