step away from the "chop!"...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by GreenDog, Mar 18, 2003.

  1. Use volume to keep you out of the noise.
     
    #61     Mar 20, 2003
  2. bobcathy1

    bobcathy1 Guest

    Well, there is no sex in this boat until I make back the money I have already lost this week........sob, sob, sniff, sniff.........:eek:
     
    #62     Mar 20, 2003
  3. trader99

    trader99

    Alfonso,

    thanks for the advice! I know all of these things intellectually. It's just that on noisy days or time of days, I lose some emotional control. And keep trying to make back by trading like a madman through the noise. This is not rational.

    Oh well. Today was different better. I didn't get chopped to death. In fact, I had a few decent moves. And held through some of the noise. I guess I can always take off half and ride the other half if I don't want to sit through the pullback noise which could turn out to be a reversal.

    trader99
     
    #63     Mar 20, 2003
  4. trader99

    trader99

    Boot Key sounds nice. The next time I'm in Florida I'll take you guys up on that offer.

    For now, I'm glad I didn't trade the chop today. Though today there was definitely less chop. My goal is to avoid the chop as much as possible for an entire week or month. Only trade when it's easy. If I can do that then I will be proud that I kicked this bad habit.

    good luck bobcathy1!
     
    #64     Mar 20, 2003
  5. trader99

    trader99

    I've been shorting all day and I'm still down?! WTF?!

    I keep getting stopped out. I should have just held to my original short in the morning and just held.

    how do you guys deal with this? It seems like your timing has to be almost perfect in this environment.

    You can be right, but you can sitll lose $$. WTF?!

    this doesn't make sense! is this even worth it anymore?

    Sure we can all have super week like last week. But it's the grind that wears you down...

    trader99
     
    #65     Mar 24, 2003
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix



    It's called "creep". In a downtrend, if the trend is reasonably strong, the price should not retrace enough to penetrate the last reaction low, or, if it does, it should retreat immediately and resume the downtrend. When it penetrates the last reaction low and means it, you wind up with a very gradual trend, even with an occasional higher high. This encourages you to widen your stops so that you don't get caught by these retracements, at which point, of course, there is an unexpected rally and you get taken out for even more than you would have if you had just left it alone.

    To weather creep, you have to get in early in the trend and just leave it alone. This is very difficult for most traders to do because there's so little "action".

    --Db
     
    #66     Mar 24, 2003
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    By the way, I've been reading your posts, and for some reason you're allowing the market to victimize you. Unless and until you take back control, you're going to get tossed around like a catnip ball.

    --Db
     
    #67     Mar 24, 2003
  8. trader99

    trader99


    dbphoenix:

    I took control back! Screw you market! hehe. Well, I realize it was choppy like hell today and lowered my trading activity significantly. So, my loss was nominal. basically a small scratch day. In the past, I would beat my head against the screen and trade away and be down HUGE. I'm smarter than that now.

    :cool:
     
    #68     Apr 30, 2003
  9. funky

    funky

    same here...i missed the morning yesterday, and then took huge losses in the afternoon trading chop. today, i learned from my mistakes and kept my losses to almost nothing.
     
    #69     Apr 30, 2003
  10. 1- 'They' control the market. ever see Outer Limits? Same folks.


    2- Price moves in such a way as to cause the weak minded to abandon positions that shortly thereafter would have produced generous gains.

    3- It's alway been like that.

    4- It always will be.



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    PS That's the guy (upper right) that shakes you out. Ugly bastard.
     
    #70     Apr 30, 2003