Stats for successful trader in prop ?

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by Frenchy, Dec 12, 2005.

  1. At my first firm, I started in a group of about a dozen guys. A year later, I was the only one still trading and it wasn't at that firm. At the one I'm at now, out of the group of like 25, in about 2 years, 2 got fired, 1 left for a better deal at another firm and 2 left because they got really good job offers from their old jobs, so the other 20 are still with them trading at various levels. Each office is different.
     
    #21     Dec 13, 2005
  2. Frenchy

    Frenchy

    what is the most important factor of success in your opinion ??
     
    #22     Dec 13, 2005
  3. ynox1

    ynox1

    Persistence
     
    #23     Dec 14, 2005
  4. lescor

    lescor

    Have enough money saved or a second income to survive the learning curve. Trade small and conserve your capital above all else. If you manage to survive long enough, you will eventually make it.
     
    #24     Dec 14, 2005
  5. Even if you have enough to live on for a couple years or whatever and trade small, don't you think most people will not be able to find an edge. Thus never really get anywhere?
     
    #25     Dec 15, 2005
  6. Shazbatz

    Shazbatz





    I strongly agree here. Defining your edge could take a while. Most neophytes jump from one strategy to the next until they realize their is no perfect strategy. This is where backtesting plays a huge role and helps you build the confidence to follow the rules.
     
    #26     Dec 16, 2005
  7. :)
     
    #27     Dec 16, 2005
  8. (As reported to regulators)

    Approximately 50% make it to year # 2 (yet 90% of all business ventures fail in the first year)...are we 5 times better than other business ventures? Who knows, this is a pretty individual business.

    Traders after 1 year learning curve (see above, basically those who stick it out, work hard, study hard, good discipline, etc.) "average" about $120-$150K (with some making millions, some losing money.."average" is not a great quantifiable number).

    Another good question comes to mind: What business venture can you have (extremely) limited downside risk, with an unlimited upside potential...and where else can you "borrow" a $million or two every day for zero costs?

    Some seek why they "can't" - some seek to find out how they "can"....tools are provided, traders provide the discipline and desire to succeed.

    All the best,

    Don
     
    #28     Dec 17, 2005
  9. There are 100s of prop groups out there and most of them are "chop shops" & employ the burn & churn scheme. Steve's is one of the top 5 groups out there. A few of their top hitters are well known by name among who matters in the NYC prop world. So take his stats and then consider everything else.

    25% make 5-10k? Maybe 2-4 years ago. More like 25% break profitable which means nothing with USA's cost of living and 10% make 5k+ a month.
     
    #29     Dec 17, 2005
  10. Ok but hopefuls will push themselves to Year #2 and possibly Year #3 even if they are not making money and I have seen this and still observe this. It means nothing. A business venture has its own innate costs on top of the individual's cost of living, so it is much harder to maintain.

    I know of a guy who dropped over 50k this year daytrading a certain bastardly but popular Oil specialist yet he will continue just because he is like rich & can easily afford it. Does that mean he made it to year #2?
     
    #30     Dec 17, 2005