statistical arbitrage

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by sambatrade, Apr 7, 2003.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    Ok, there is some meat there. Let me digest it...

    nitro
     
    #21     Aug 27, 2003
  2. Could somebody, please point me to a reference on "cointegration" in the sense that it is used here.

    (I often use statsoft's "Electronic Statistics Textbook" searches for quick clarifications - it did not return anything, which is unusual)
     
    #22     Aug 27, 2003
  3. bone

    bone

    How is it that I trade all manner of inter and intra-market spreads and have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about? (OK, a little, and I do surf the Wilmot website from time to time, and I am an Engineer by training).

    I am proudly bliss in my ignorance.

    I revel in my stupidity.

    If I get a decent correlation analysis on the Bloomberg and it charts real purdy I trade 'em.

    Oh... the problem with statistical arbitrage is fat tails. Ask LTCM about those fat tails. Maybe Niederhoffer, too. (list is getting bigger)
     
    #23     Aug 27, 2003
  4. Good point. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Caveat: I think you're spreading and not necessary stats arb ... technical definition.
     
    #24     Aug 27, 2003
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Because you are a TRADER and not some quant sitting in a room looking for at 15% return year and you don't jump up and down in a stuppor if you return 15% a year.

    Correlation analysis is fine for "short term" pair trading, and the stuff that Bloomberg returns is pretty useful and a similar analysis that I used to use when pair trading. IMHO, Cointegration is meant for those that believe in CAPM or APT and want "effcient regime" long/short portfolios over a longer time frame.

    BTW, I credit you with getting me thinking about more "exotic" pairs, like the GE/ES trade - it opened up a whole new world to me.

    nitro
     
    #25     Aug 27, 2003
  6. nitro:
    Do you mean those quant only looking for 15% return p.a? Is this what a quant expected after studying so much math/finance?:confused:
     
    #26     Aug 27, 2003
  7. nitro

    nitro

    Hermit_trader,

    I am being really hard on them. Returning 15% a year on $1B is REALLY hard.

    At 20% of profits for hedge funds, that's 20% of $150,000,000. That's a nice payday!

    nitro :D
     
    #27     Aug 27, 2003
  8. How many quant got $1B to play with?:D
     
    #28     Aug 27, 2003
  9. nitro

    nitro

    What about $250M then? 15% of $250M is $37M. 20% of that is still a nice payout! And don't forget the 2% management fee!

    nitro :D
     
    #29     Aug 27, 2003
  10. seems to be dead now- thats why its being mass marketed
     
    #30     Aug 27, 2003