Startup launches commercial electric plane business

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by dealmaker, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    As I indicated in my first post on this, the weight of a jet engine per KW of energy it produces is substantially less than the weight of the electric motor that would replace it "a typical turbofan is 10KW/kg while a Prius motor is less than 2KW/kg"

    More importantly, how the heck have you managed to never fly on an airplane!
     
    #21     Mar 24, 2017
  2. ET180

    ET180

    That's my point. Lithium ion batteries have been around a long time and there's been tremendous market pressure to extract more storage efficiency out of them (first from laptops, then cell phones, and now cars). I think someday we'll get there, but the "battery" will likely be radically different from what we have today. Perhaps some type of super-capacitor. In the meantime, maybe they could fill a large balloon full of hydrogen to lift the plane and then also use the hydrogen to fuel the engine. :)
     
    #22     Mar 24, 2017
  3. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    In its never ending quest for excellence in financial journalism.....CNBC just did a segment on the Fibit for cows. :D
     
    #23     Mar 29, 2017
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    fuel cells actually make sense here. Fast refuel, long range, you can sell the dangers of high pressure vessels to the public as well since you won't survive a crash land anyway.

    Although electric motors still remain heavy and I keep reading the mass/energy is no better than batteries.
     
    #24     Mar 29, 2017
  5. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    #25     Apr 6, 2017
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  6. Sig

    Sig

    Those links are dead but here's another https://qz.com/950730/tesla-for-the...-an-electric-plane-startup-called-zunum-aero/
    An infinitely more reasonable concept and company, probably the reason why they got the investment. I'm guessing that Boeing at least is using this as a cheap way to get some out of the box engineering prototyping and dev at a much lower cost than doing it themselves. I've heard that the culture at Boeing is pretty stifling to a startup mentality as well, which you would expect from a big company that has only done evolutionary changes over the past 50 years. This may be a tacit recognition of that by the company, if so good on them.
     
    #26     Apr 6, 2017
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Well, the startup is in Seattle. Impressive management pedigree, I'm sure they are all tied to BA somehow or the other.

    My question is, looking at this picture (realizing its a rendering) is where does the combustion occur. Inside somewhere like an APU and then fixed to the fans via like a drone type axle?
    There does appear to be an air intake between the V-tail
    dims.jpg
     
    #27     Apr 6, 2017
  8. Sig

    Sig

    I'm guessing it's much like a helicopter, turboshaft engines to a transmission which changes direction and sends it out to the prop. Couple an electric motor with a ratchet type freewheeling unit (again like a helicopter), and you can power it with either one.
    The only suspect piece to me is the ducted props. Per my criticism of the previous concept, if you're on the bleeding edge of technology in something like aerospace than don't try to be on two or more bleeding edges at once if you can help it. If ducted props are better, then they're better for jet engine powered turboprops as well as a hybrid, so build a production ducted jet engine powered turboprop now, no need to wait for battery technology. Which may very well be what Boeing is thinking!
     
    #28     Apr 6, 2017
  9. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Well they are certainly at the forefront of cutting edge aviation...:D
    Bell-X-22-experimental-aircraft.jpg
     
    #29     Apr 6, 2017
  10. Sig

    Sig

    Wow, that's a new one to me! As a former helicopter pilot and maintenance officer, that thing looks like a nightmare!
     
    #30     Apr 6, 2017