Ok - just for the sake of a dialogue. Right, TI sold gadgets as any business.What's rare is the business model that self finances itself on the back of the <so called> partners !!! TI and Palm spent the money back on payroll, research expenses. Kanter had no expenses to speak off. He put up little money of his own. He lives in a rent controlled apartment in Manhattan and I have always thought Joe, his business partner can buy and sell him many times over !!!! He promised a note to some of his backers which was easily met by the business model. If you can find a business model similar to this, you should jump on it !!! I suspect now there are more players and he has a harder time to keep screwing people. He has changed his business model apparently the third time and try to go with the flow !!!! Bright at least sticks to what works and does not change 3 times in 9 years !!!!