Starting a fund / raising capital

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by doublet83, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Busta21

    Busta21

    Great year so far, congrats! Anyone here familiar with setting up off-shore? There has to be a way to get around these rates.
     
    #201     Dec 8, 2012
  2. 007Arb

    007Arb


    Great returns the past few years. I didn't check to see if I have already posted in this thread but you do know hedge fund returns over the past 20 years or so are around 11% to 12% per annum. And even lower since 2008. That's actually an overstatement because it doesn't account for the funds that have dropped out due to poor performance and hence non reporting.
     
    #202     Dec 8, 2012
  3. Busta21

    Busta21

    Ya, but those % amounts are on larger AUM's - These returns are great though.
     
    #203     Dec 8, 2012
  4. heech

    heech

    Nope, nothing. Only option is to renounce citizenship and move elsewhere. Other than state taxes, nothing else you do will save you a penny from the IRS. (Legally.)
     
    #204     Dec 8, 2012
  5. I think I messed up and double counted the Obamacare tax because I was confused with the wording from some articles I was reading. So the marginal tax rate would be 55% which is a lot better than 59%.

    I'm planning on talking to a tax professional (hopefully one that specializes in traders) to get some advise. I'm not sure if there's anything more sophisticated than just electing as a professional trader, and taking as many business deducations as I can (I don't have many).
     
    #205     Dec 8, 2012
  6. sf631

    sf631

    For a tax pro, talk to Robert Green (greencompany). Don't think there are as many options going forward (avoiding medicare tax for example) but he knows his stuff.

    Also, what is the SS "1.4%"? Is that the average tax rate for your 860K assuming you pay 10.4% on the first 100K? If you're trying to determine your marginal rate, this isn't right. Either calc the average tax rate or the marginal tax rate, but don't mix the two
     
    #206     Dec 8, 2012
  7. Does anyone know whether or not you can contribute to a regular and/or a roth ira if you elect professional trader tax status and what the maximum contribution would be?
     
    #207     Dec 8, 2012
  8. Yeah I know its neither the marginal nor the average. Just my fuzzy math to make the rate seem higher because I'm really a little bit freaked out about how high my taxes are going to be.
     
    #208     Dec 8, 2012
  9. If you previously were not subject to FICA taxes then the only new thing that hits you is the 3.8% surtax on investment income over 200k plus the increase in rates due to the Bush tax cuts expiring.
     
    #209     Dec 8, 2012
  10. sf631

    sf631

    Can someone confirm that the 3.8% is only on the amount above 200K (or 250K) rather than on the whole amount for anyone who crosses 200K? Assuming so, hoping so. It isn't a huge consolation for someone making 860K, but matters much for those a bit closer to earth in the 200-500 range.
     
    #210     Dec 8, 2012