Starting a fund / raising capital

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by doublet83, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Well, given how I didn't even know what E&O insurance stood for before this, I guess not very far.

    If this expense is too prohibitive, I will probably prefer to forgo the insurance. I imagine an LLC structure will protect your personal assets. And I imagine I can only get sued if I lose people money. In that case, even assuming I was somehow negligent and liable for damages, what is my company worth anyway?

    Plus, if I assume that raising institutional money will be next to impossible right now, and I need to start with friends, I'm probably safe from getting sued.
     
    #121     Aug 25, 2012
  2. emk662

    emk662

    How to subscribe the SEC enforcement newsletter? I cannot find how on SEC's website. Thanks.

    As far as why these rules exist... I subscribe to the CFTC/SEC enforcement newsletters. The amount of fraud out there is unbelievable.
     
    #122     Aug 25, 2012
  3. Busta21

    Busta21

    It is. What is even more fascinating is the amt. of capital some of these characters are able to raise.
     
    #123     Aug 25, 2012
  4. gmst

    gmst

    So, if you want to establish a fund,

    1) So, how much absolutely minimium seed money is required. 50k? 500k?2m?
    2) What would be a terrific track record on this seed money. 50% annual return with 15% maxDD. or 100% return with 20% maxDD.
    3) For how long this terrific track record is needed.
    4) How does money find you? You list on barclayshedge IASG etc.?

    TIA.
     
    #124     Aug 25, 2012
  5. Stok

    Stok

    One thing I will say is go look at databases...the easist ones are managed futures/currencies (CTA/CPOs)....even the best do CAGR of 35-40% with almost equal in MaxDD and sharpe's around 1 or less. And these are the guys managing $100's of millions with long established track records.
     
    #125     Aug 25, 2012
  6. Busta21

    Busta21

    Agreed. One thing I have said before on this forum and will say again: Putting together $500K-$1M of your own capital and then searching for new LP's for the fund is likely a good start. I say this from experience over the past 9 months meeting with potential investors etc. While I have some sizable returns (derivatives) the account is less than $250K and they are a little uneasy with that. They wanted to see 12-24 months with $500k+ and I don't blame them. The thing to remember is that if you have the returns the money will come, I think it is just patience and consistency that is the key in this game.
     
    #126     Aug 25, 2012
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  7. Sorry to bust bubbles but track record is the least critical thing when it comes to raising capital. Remember, everyone has a great track record otherwise they wouldn't be starting a fund. Having a clearly defined niche strategy that can last into the future is critical--otherwise your just another fund in a world full of choices--and the others have oh so much more to offer than you ever could.
     
    #127     Aug 25, 2012
  8. Busta21

    Busta21

    That's a bit subjective. I know plenty of funds that are short-term 24-36 special entities. If you're running a trend following fund you absolutely need a track record. Unless your speak from experience with the niche strat and not needing a P/L, DM me, I would like to chat.
     
    #128     Aug 25, 2012
  9. Sorry, I was misunderstood. A track record is needed but it's the least important factor for the reason I listed. Good luck to you!
     
    #129     Aug 25, 2012
  10. Busta21

    Busta21

    Thank you!
     
    #130     Aug 25, 2012