For all newcommers that ask how much to start with, a lot of guys here say 25k or higher. I disagree, I think you need to start with as small of a stake as possible - like 5k or less. Because the more your start with - the more you will probably lose - which messes you up mentality and you start overtrading and lose more. Commisions, spreads, fees alone will kill you over time without the edge, experience, and system you need. So start as small as possible and if you blow it, take at least a month of before starting again. With prop firms, you don't need to put up much to get going. Of couse if you have 100k+, you can trade patiently and conservatively and still make decent money - but that's a lot of money to put on the line for a new guy and one losing streak is enough to mess you up with that much on the line.