Spydertrader's Jack Hershey Futures Trading Journal

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  1. cnms2

    cnms2

    Actually my understanding of Jack's recommendation, that also makes sense to me, is to hold during lower volume / volatility retraces, and to reverse during higher volume / volatility retraces, which should be associated with larger price moves.

    The lower volume retraces will probably turn out being flaws, and they don't have the power to move the price enough to be worth a reversal.

    If you look a few pages back at my Friday trades, if I didn't decide to hold during that retrace, I could've squeezed a few points from that 5 point retrace. If that retrace had turned into a reversal, I would've given back a lot of points. My lesson from Friday is that when I recognized the FTT and decided to hold, I should've either exit, or temporary sideline.
     
    #7991     Nov 22, 2007
  2. cnms2

    cnms2

     
    #7992     Nov 22, 2007
  3. My results are better when I sit through the retraces. I find trading from FTT to FTT to be more relaxing and it has the extra benefit that I stay on my resolution level.

    The added risk when trading a retrace is that price can revert back in the dominant direction before you reverse, causing you to miss out on more points then you would have made if you held.
     
    #7993     Nov 22, 2007
  4. ivob

    ivob

    I agree sitting thu the retrace is the best. But not always easy.

    If you close position somewhere between point 2 and 3 there is a chance you think you see new (mini) opportunities etc and start doing stupid things. (that's what happened to me). The result is you lose everything you just made.

    regards,
    Ivo
     
    #7994     Nov 23, 2007
  5. R/R

    R/R

    I'm no expert but it is my understanding that you invoke APA on your entry bar at the point it reverses against your position by dropping down to 1 minute using IF1,2 on this interval for the duration of the 5 minute ES (entry) bar. Then go back to IF1,2 as normal.

    reference from seamless_continuous_trading[1].doc: Trades continue on the short term trading level by comparing the progress of the current bar with the prior bar as a trending reference bar. See IF 1, IF 2 Report. When IF 2 is invoked a reversal is made. It is possible that a subsequent wash and reversal may be required. When this comes up, the wash and reversal is done and the monitoring is done for the remainder of that bar on the 1 min chart using the IF 1, IF 2 strategy as applied to the 1min bars. This converts a 5min bar strategy to an intra-bar strategy. At the end of the remaining portion of the APA invoked on a 5min bar, the monitoring returns to the 5 min bar thus ending the intra-bar strategy. )
     
    #7995     Nov 23, 2007
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  6. The only thing I would add is that APA is to used when the Jokari window fails. Maybe some news intrabar causes a violent reversal or something like that. Visualize a B2B reversal and then you get an even higher red bar. That situation should be APA.

    That said, I cannot call myself an expert either.

    Best Regards
    Oddi
     
    #7996     Nov 23, 2007
  7. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    Thanks Oddi & R/R for the additional clarifications.

    I do not remember reading the switch for the 1min interval even though I had read the document before; so good reminder to check it out again.

    Personally I don't use IF1/IF2 however the recent discussions prompted me to try and understand what it is. In the process I came up with the diagram and decided to share.
     
    #7997     Nov 23, 2007
  8. Chart for November 23 2007:
     
    #7998     Nov 23, 2007
  9. cnms2

    cnms2

    <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1689373>
     
    #7999     Nov 23, 2007
  10. After the FTT on the 10:20 bar I had a strong feeling that price would get fanned because of the low volume on the breakout of my channel. I then drew in a channel that used the lows of the 10:05 and 10:10 bars to see what price would do once it hit that trendline. When I saw that price indeed fanned around that level I adjusted the lower trendline two ticks to correspond with the 10:30 bar low and kept the channel in place.

    The reason I picked that point one and point three is that the slope of the channel they made seemed to correspond with the way price was behaving. Whenever price fans and a channel rolls over I start looking for the new slope of the trend and this was the outcome.
     
    #8000     Nov 23, 2007
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