Spydertrader's Jack Hershey Futures Trading Journal

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  1. Ezzy

    Ezzy

    My contention with this often quoted view is it isn't "necessarily" true. That's why I said " but also consider the producer of the contract."

    The farmer sells a futures contract of corn, Kellogs (or whoever) buys it to make corn flakes. No one loses. I might step in between and it could go either way, but saying there is always a loser on the other side is incorrect. Now you could argue that the farmer, hedging his crop, lost if the value fluctuated against his hedge, but he didn't really lose any money.

    Regards - EZ
     
    #4421     Jun 19, 2007
  2. cnms2

    cnms2

    Selling something bellow its market value means taking a loss ...

    Zero-Sum Game (Investopedia): A situation in which one participant's gains result only from another participant's equivalent losses. The net change in total wealth among participants is zero; the wealth is just shifted from one to another.

    Options and future contracts are examples of zero-sum games (excluding costs). For every person who gains on a contract, there is a counter-party who loses. Gambling is also an example of a zero-sum game.

    A stock market, however, is not a zero-sum game because wealth can be created in a stock market.


     
    #4422     Jun 19, 2007
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    #4423     Jun 19, 2007
  4. While certain discussions and sub-topics within a thread often 'round out' the information presented and / or augment the overall theme of transference, others topics, and / or sub-topics, run the risk of sending the original intent of the discussion way outside of the original bounds. While I welcome the many contributions made and the commentary posted, I also want to avoid rehashing discussions which already have their own home elsewhere on the Elitetrader.com web site. For these reasons, and to maintain the standard flow of information, I encourage anyone interested in continuing the 'Zero Sum Game' Debate to post their comments in this thread, rather than run the risk of losing focus on the knowledge transference - long the hallmark of this Journal. A quick click on the link above provides the reader with a glimpse of the debate - which raged on for 5 months.

    Again, I in no way wish to stifle commentary: Quite the opposite. I simply do not wish to run the risk of losing focus at the stage of the process. In this light, everyone can hopefully see the wisdom of continuing the "Zero Sum Game" Debate in its appropriate location.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #4424     Jun 19, 2007
  5. My ES for today. Wow - what a day :D
     
    #4425     Jun 20, 2007
  6. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    ES chart using Quote Tracker
     
    #4426     Jun 20, 2007
  7. Pepe

    Pepe

    Nice day today.

    Best Regards,
     
    #4427     Jun 20, 2007
  8. Pr0crast

    Pr0crast Guest

    Interesting day. Made a lot of great trades, also got chopped up in a couple spots. I also tried covering my PnL today and that did not work out quite as planned. Ended up forgetting whether I was long or short, then cheering at a sudden 3 pt drop thinking I was short when I was really long. :eek: :eek: Cheers to fake money.
     
    #4428     Jun 20, 2007
  9. 06-20-2007 ES Chart

    - Spydertrader
     
    #4429     Jun 20, 2007
  10. 06-20-2007 YM Chart

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    #4430     Jun 20, 2007
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