SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. jeffm

    jeffm

    Baaaaa

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    The funny part is, this sheep is actually getting immunized...

    I agree with Phil's earlier statement. He has given himself carpal tunnel typing up warnings about risk, account size, experience, etc, etc. If someone loses money by mindlessly trying to mimic coach's trades, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

     
    #9921     Sep 7, 2006
  2. #9922     Sep 7, 2006
  3. Hard to tell lol :)


     
    #9923     Sep 7, 2006
  4. Rarely do all of you come up in arms together against one of my positions. So even though I feel that $6,000 in a week with a 1255 strike is 99% sure thing, I decided to listen to my friends here and err on the side of caution. I put a limit order to close my spread at $0.25 and was filled so took a loss of $0.05 ($1,500) plus commissions.

    I actually would not mind a few sharp down days so I can load up for Oct so no need to sweat since I am having an amazing winning streak to date :)

    Sleep easy my friends, Coach is off the field this week lol...

    Please do not put this in the bragging column but I decided to run a tally on all my SPX positions for the year to date and the return is 9.6% of my portoflio return from SPX spreads (i.e. premium collected to date is 9.6% return on starting capital.)

    Using an estimate of average risk per position, my annual return on capital risked is 22.3%. In other words, I am showing a 22.3% return on my SPX spreads to date.

    Shows you why I only use a % of my portfolio. Because I can use a portion of the portfolio and the leverage of the returns brings the entire portfolio up nicely so no need to use 100% of your assets.

    Sorry for "own horn" cliche but toot toot


     
    #9924     Sep 7, 2006
  5. Ah man... don't let em scare ya. No way we drop below 1280 before the 15th.:p

    [edit] Don't get me wrong. i would love it if we did. I've got some OCT long puts that would treat me really well. But I really don't see any reason for a continued bearish move until the CPI report comes out.
     
    #9925     Sep 7, 2006
  6. Sailing

    Sailing

    GRIC Trading Commentary

    I have had numerous questions and PM's as to the types of strategies we use with our GrandRapidsInvestmentClub.

    Well, it's a two part answer:

    Part I: First, the dynamics of group trading is far different than that of an individual account. You feel more 'responsible' if it's someone else's money than if it were just yours (although I suppose it shouldn't feel this way). Secondly, group trading has to take into account the frequency of the meetings and involvement level of each group member.

    Here in lies the tough part.... timing and effort. Over the past six years now, we have found that trading individual equities at a group level is difficult. Too many news events, reports, etc... occur too frequent for everyone to stay in touch and up to par... and as a whole group.... communication break downs occur. We've tried and certainly welcome individual stock plays.... but find it difficult to manage from start to finish. So, we do encourage index trading to the group members.

    Part II: The club was started with a mission to educate, not make or create trade recommendations. We have found, even among our members, that people just 'want the trade', and don't want to understand the whys, the hows, or the whens. From a liability and risk management point of view... we steer far away from purely straight trade recommending. It's just not safe, prudent, or responsible to allow people to trade without fully understanding the risks involved.

    We have set up a complete course structure of 24 classes. Eighteen of them are considered under grad classes, (basic stock and option info... from TA, FA, to volatility and greeks). Each class is followed up by an online assessment. The assessment must be completed and passed before moving onto the next class. We run upto four different level classes each meeting.

    Upon graduating by passing a comprehensive assessment... our GrandRapidsInvestmentClub members become full blown GrandRapidsInvestmentGroup members. The 'group' members meet to discuss advanted topics, incluging strategies, taxes, speakers, seminars, webinars, etc. It is still mostly educationally based. We do show specific strategies with specific dates... but mostly for purposes of demonstration, not recomendation.

    After completing the advance degree classes, graduates will become decision making member of our new 'Hedge Fund'. Here is where we discuss specific trades to be implemented into the group account.


    So to answer your quesitions about what STRATEGIES.... well... it just depends on what the market will allow... or shoudl I say, what GREEK position is needed to balance the overall portfolio.

    We actively trade:

    Double Diagonals, Put Calendars, Call Credit Spreads, Straddles/Strangles and BrokenWingButterflies... for the current moment.

    Again, it just depends on what 'greek' emphasis is needed at the time.

    What type of Returns are you making?

    As far as our Return on Investment over the past five years together.... I am reluctant to say, because you wouldn't believe me if I told you. We've been extremely lucky.... we've managed to have only a few losses over the years. It's managing the losses which I think we're most proud of.... the returns will take care of themselves.

    Why do we openly share our Strategies and Ideas?

    We have found that many investors appear so secretive about how they make money.... the truth is... it doesn't cause us to make any more or any less money if people are doing what we're doing. I really don't think we'll have much impact, as a group, on the market... no matter how large we become.

    In fact.... it helps everyone as a whole who jumps on board by sharing their experiences.... similar to what coach is doing here on ET. Just wish more people felt the same.... it's always educational to learn from another person's point of view.

    How do the meetings run?

    Traditionally we begin and follow an agenda. It includes Economic Reports, Newsletter Reports, Committee Reports, Special Task Reports, and Strategy in Review Reports. The meetings begain at 6pm and last.... usually until 9ish.

    In our investment group... we charge $5 per three hour session, twice a month. The $5 gets you a 50 page printed powerpoint presentation, all the Pizza you can eat, all the pop you can drink, wireless internet access, 315 investment website links, and a chance at winning the current 'used' stocks and commodities magazine for the month. It's quite a deal.

    Many of the members say if we charged $25 a night, they would gladly pay it.... which would equate to about $1,000 every other week. In fact they said if we charged more... we would probably get five times as many interested members. I guess you just cant give away anything anymore for FREE!

    Our mission is purely to educate... and what we've gained in return is a lot of great personal relationships. We could easily raise millions tomorrow from the group if we wanted... but our mission is to ultimately teach each person to become an independent investor for life.

    I guess coming from public education employment..... I find giving much more rewarding the receiving..... you have to... or you'd never survive this teaching business. Besides, when you live to learn on a teachers salary.... a small winning trade feels like a jackpot!

    Hope that slows the PM rate down a little.... for awhile at least!

    Enjoy and remeber to always....

    Sail On... ~ ~ _/) ~

    Murray
     
    #9926     Sep 7, 2006
  7. Coach's TA

    Been a while since I posted a chart.

    Notice how today the market closed at MA support (red line). There is MA support at around 1280 as well (Blue and Yellow). Also August swing lows were around 1265. That is why I chose the 1255 strike initially for the week :).

    I say that any normal pullback will be to the 1285-ish level if we are to continue higher. However any bad news big enough to create a down 15 day again will pus us below support and perhaps start the cliche rough Sept and Oct. The lows of the chart are 1240 and 1225-ish so short strikes should not go higher than that.

    On the call side I have a diagonal using the short strike at the May highs near 1325 (I am using the ES options which had a swing high near 1340 but same premise).

    Notice the MAY - July reverse Head and Shoulders that formed in the SPX which marked the AUG breakout and the neckline served as support for the pullback before the next burst higher in mid-August.

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    #9927     Sep 7, 2006
  8. Bravo!

    Also gald to know you are joining Mav and I on the dark side...

     
    #9928     Sep 7, 2006
  9. Let me go cover my short bet on phil's futures. :D

    Seriously phil, that trade wasnt you man. I cant see anyone needing $6 grand that badly, much less you. Congrats on the good results YTD.
     
    #9929     Sep 7, 2006
  10. I know for sure (Riskarb told me , lol ) that NASDAQ doing this stickily based on popularity of this journal ; you should be very proud !!!
     
    #9930     Sep 7, 2006