SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. :eek:


    A bit worse than you quote as an APR. Back to your regurlarly scheduled program. Can only make a case for holding that vig for expiration week into -dgamma. Not something that would sit too well if your strangles turn into losers.
     
    #9421     Aug 15, 2006
  2. Indeed. Talk about adding insult to injury :( . Okay enough of the commercials.

    [edit: the real benefit imho is trading into lock positions, as they are treated as being flat, i.e. no vig charges.]
     
    #9422     Aug 15, 2006
  3. burrben

    burrben

    Got filled on my Sept/Oct Diagonal this morning. Details:
    VIX : 13.40
    STO 10 SPX SEPT 1225 PUT
    BTO 10 SPX OCT 1200 PUT
    Mid of : 3.00 Debit
    Fill at : 3.20

    Current Mid : 2.95.

    I tried to get filled at 3.10 forever but couldn't.

    I'm looking at adding Mav and Sailing's Xmas tree diag at Sept 1250/ Oct 1225, but only 5 contracts.

    After that I'm looking to get into a Call credit spread, but I'm not sure of my strikes yet, probably above 1325.

    Comments are always appreciated. Attached is the TOS graph of the position.

    burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....


     
    #9423     Aug 15, 2006
  4. Sailing

    Sailing

    We're looking the same... but also adding a small positions at 1275/1250

    That's not a bad fill... and I like the fact you're filling on an up day...

    M~


     
    #9424     Aug 15, 2006
  5. burrben

    burrben

    Hmm, does this mean your adding more than two layers to your Xmas tree? So say 2x1275/1250 5x1250/1225 10x1225/1200?

    I'm really using the VIX as a indicator for these diags. I should be trading my call credit spreads today, but since I'm on vacation until the 28th I don't like puttin on positions and not being able to watch them when I don't make money approaching the short strike.

    bababuurrrr....


     
    #9425     Aug 15, 2006
  6. Since it is a prop firm, we don't get any protection for our account. Am I right?

    I like the idea of using the intraday leverage to leg in the short first.
     
    #9426     Aug 15, 2006
  7. its a prop shop ? You need 7 to join?
    thanks , v-pimp
     
    #9427     Aug 15, 2006
  8. Correctamundo. No SIPC insurance or other safeguards that retail houses have. BUT, you are only at risk for the amount of money you deposit with their LLC. Kinda like a call option on your money. If you blow out, you're only on the hook for the deposited amount(Simplex eats the remainder of the loss) unlike a retail brokerage which will come after your assets if you are short truckloads of options and get your stikes blown through. These are fat-tailed events we're talking about here. Hey Refco went backrupt, so anything is possible I guess.

    It is a decision that each trader must make for themselves. You need to weigh the benefits of the leverage and commissions vs. the *relative* security of the retail house.

    If you trade relative value arbitrage primarily and are unconcerned whether or not your money has SIPC insurance, the prop route may be the way you want to go.

    Conversly, if the majority of your business is writing three week credit spread paper, retail may be all you really need or want.

    You could also split the two accounts like coach does, and I'm sure he and others can articulate the tradeoffs better than I.
     
    #9428     Aug 15, 2006
  9. Yes, it is prop. No 7 required. :cool:
     
    #9429     Aug 15, 2006
  10. Might be some confusion over diagonalized Christmas Tree/Ladders vs. quadruple diagonals et al.

    Christmas trees are frontspreads. Diagonalized Christmas trees just have the short options in a back month to increase the vega sensitivity. The long Christmas tree would be the more common frontspread short vega variety. The short Christmas tree would be the backspread long vega variety.

    Anyway, the long vega double tree is distinct from the quadruple diagonals that I believe Murray is executing. Glad that's all clear now...LOL

    The short vega PUT tree is one way to play shorting high volatility and steep skews.

    MoMoney.
     
    #9430     Aug 15, 2006