SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. check with www.greencompany.com. They specialize in trader tax issues.
     
    #9311     Aug 10, 2006
  2. jeffm

    jeffm

    I find it curious that you would say this. One of the big knocks on vertical credit spreads is their exposure to negative shock events. A black swan loss that wipes out many small wins (and your whole account if overleveraged). Doesn't a diagonal have the same exposure?

     
    #9312     Aug 10, 2006
  3. No, it certainly doesn't need to. Think long volatility.
     
    #9313     Aug 10, 2006
  4. ryank

    ryank

    The first post by riskarb that I understood without having to reread it! :D
     
    #9314     Aug 10, 2006
  5. Yes, that seems a bit high LOL

    I have setup a real estate LLC in the past. All income passed thru to us and we paid taxes individually and wrote off expense on the corporate level. I can only assume it is very similar if not the same with trading equities.

    If you are serious about doing it and dont have the time to do the research yourself, you can get an agent to set it up for you. Isn't Phil an attorney? Maybe he can help you out. :D

    Doing it yourself will probably cost you no more than a couple of grand, including all the legal stuff.
     
    #9315     Aug 10, 2006
  6. jeffm

    jeffm

    He was dumbing it down for my benefit :)

    I understand that a volty jump will benefit the long backmonth more than it hurts the short frontmonth. But if the market opens up 30 points below your long, you are still facing a loss of almost the full width of your diagonal spread. Certainly the vol boost helps the diagonal, while it does very little for the vertical credit spread. But is it enough to prevent a wipeout of your account?

     
    #9316     Aug 10, 2006
  7. The risk is proportional to strike-width and stat volty. A diagonal will always incur less risk when exposed to a vol-shock. The vertical is a play on distro; the diag is a play on vol. The vertical is short on both distro[gamma] and vol[vega]. You'll do better in the vertical away from your strike, but there are many other positions which are favored over the vertical.
     
    #9317     Aug 10, 2006
  8. ryank

    ryank

    Take a look at a 10 lot Sep 1225p/Oct 1200p diagonal. Cost at mid right now is $2.85.

    Assume market opens at 1175 tomorrow, how high will vol go? Let's say 10 points to about 24 (anybody's guess). Your loss would be around $3500. If vol jumps up about 14 points to 28 (hey, about 100 point drop in one day you would think vol would jump at least this high) you are at about breakeven. Not sure what the chances are for getting filled and how far from the mid though.
     
    #9318     Aug 10, 2006
  9. No chance to get filled at the mid. I have placed this diagonal since Murray mentioned it, but still not filled.

    I guess Market makers are not interested in taking any Oct positions unless they get a very favorable price.
     
    #9319     Aug 10, 2006
  10. Question for the board -

    A while back I would sell credit spreads on the SPX but gave it up due to liquidity frustrations. I simply could not get filled even after shaving off anywhere from .10 - .25 off the mid at times.

    I've been looking at index spreads again, particularly the RUT. Will I be facing the same liquidity issues here or has it improved? I see most of you trade SPX, so any info onthe RUt would be appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
    #9320     Aug 10, 2006