SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. No worries Coach, advise well heeded. Im very risk averse :) Only using around 20% of available margin.
     
    #8931     Jul 26, 2006
  2. UPDATE CURRENT OPEN POSITION SUMMARY OF SPREADS:


    1. SPX August Credit Spread

    LIMPING Iron Condor

    STO 300 AUG SPX 1125/1115 Put Spreads @ $0.50
    Credit = $15,000

    STO 150 AUG SPX 1310/1320 Put SPreads @ $0.55
    Credit = $8,250

    COMBINED CREDIT = $23,250

    Return = ~8.4%


    2. CLOSED July ES Adjusted Into Put Ratio Spread and Hedges


    GROSS NET CREDIT Profit = $14,375



    3. ES/EW Call Ratio Diagonal Spread

    Long 50 ES Aug 1330 Calls @ 1.60 ($4,000)

    Short 45 EW Jul 1300 Calls @ 3.00 ($6,750)

    Net Credit = $2,750


    4. ES Diagonal Put Spread

    Sold 20 AUG ES 1225 Puts @ 8.75

    Bought 20 SEP ES 1200 Puts @ 11.00

    Net Debit = 2.25 or $2,250

    VIX = 14.57 [/B][/QUOTE]
     
    #8932     Jul 26, 2006
  3. Murray, I was just thinking the same. I was looking at Big Charts Vix below and noticed that between Feb and May there wasn't much vol spikes to place these back month puts or even help with the diagonals positions.

    You mentioned writing the naked back month DEC 1175 PUT as an example. Can you also do the same on the call side?

    eg. writing a back month DEC 1345 CALL ?
     
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    #8933     Jul 26, 2006
  4. I think you can start with FOTM credit spread like Coach. If the market sell off, do the diagonal. The diagonal can serve as a hedge for credit spread.

    Case 1: Market continues to drop
    risk management for FOTM credit spread might result in small loss, but your diagonal makes a decent profit.
    Case 2: Sideway
    Both FOTM and Diagonal makes good profit.
    Case 3: Go up
    The diagonal will make a huge profit b/c of vega.

    What do you think?
     
    #8934     Jul 26, 2006
  5. ryank

    ryank

    You want to do a put diagonal with the VIX relatively low because your spread would increase in value as the VIX would increase (to a point). If you can do a put diagonal and the VIX continues to increase on the selloff you would come out all right as long as you picked good strikes and managed the trade well.
     
    #8935     Jul 26, 2006
  6. ffa99

    ffa99

    Thanks M!

    By "middle of the range" do you mean between the current price and the established short? Can the same be done with Call Diags or is that not a VEGA play?


     
    #8936     Jul 26, 2006
  7. Just a follow up Margin requirements for naked ES options.

    ES Sep futures ~ 1268

    Sell 1 1265 AUG PUT FOP
    Initial margin = 4681.87
    Maintenance margin = 4345.50

    So if i sold 10 contracts i would need around $46818
    Premium ~ 15

    Sell 10 SPX 1260/1250, margin is $10,000
    Premium ~ 3.25

    46818/10000 *3.25 = 15.21

    Roughly the same received for margin.
     
    #8937     Jul 26, 2006
  8. Taleb had better analogies but i like yours. After all we are still in a war arent we?:D
     
    #8938     Jul 26, 2006
  9. Stupid analogy....you send in the marines when you want to kick some ass and take names.
     
    #8939     Jul 26, 2006
  10. Try the first diagonal with VLO today.

    STO VLO Aug 70 C
    BTO VLO Sep 75 C

    net credit = 0.05
     
    #8940     Jul 26, 2006