SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Thanks Coach. The second spread (1130/1100) has been filled. This is my first trade with credit spread strategy inspired by this forum.

    Return on risk = 1.4/(30 - 1.4) = 4.9%

    I have used naked puts a lot when my Monte Carlo Simulation shows a positive return for naked writes. However, with credit spreads, it seems to me that the expectancy is always negative. So I am using a different rationale for credit spread trades.

    Here are my reasons:
    1. My short leg is more than 100 pts.
    2. 1130 is lower than the low of 2005. There are many support zone in between.
    3. the market is currently oversold, so I am selling now to take advantage of it.

    I have many net short puts and calls in both IWM, OIH, VLO etc. It seems that I have doing too many underlyings. Is it true that it is better to focus on just only product? Or is it better to diversify into many products?
     
    #8621     Jul 18, 2006
  2. ES Credit Spread Update


    7/6/06

    Sold 300 July ES 1220/1210 Put Spreads @ $0.55

    Credit = $8,250

    Risk at Expiration = $141,750

    Return = 5.8%

    7/7/06

    Bought 5 ES JULY 1265 Puts @ 9.25 for $2,312.50

    NEW NET CREDIT = $5,937.50

    7/13/06

    Sold 5 ES July 1255 Puts @ 11.25 for $2,812.50 (Roll above hedge into bear put spread)

    New Partial Hedge Position:

    1265/1255 Bear Put Spread for net credit of 2.00 or $500.

    Bought 5 ES July 1250 Puts @ 9.50 for $2,375

    NEW NET CREDIT = $6,375 (gross of course)




    7/14/06

    Bought 300 ES July 1220 Puts @ 8.25
    Sold 600 ES July 1200 Puts @ 4.20

    Net credit = .15 or $2,250

    RESULT = 300*600 1210/1200 Put Ratio Spread

    New Breakeven is at 1190. OCT ES low was 1200 so I have the 1229 and 1200 low previous lows for possible support areas for the next 4 days. I have no problem with ES settling at 1200 for JULY expiration :D.



    7/18/06

    Closed 5 July ES 1265/1255 Bear Put Spread for 7.75 or profit of $1,937.50

    Still have 5 long 1250 Puts and still feeling a potential bottom so decided to take the spread off since its profit potential is limited. Gonna leave the long 1250 Puts which I am gonna let run for some additional profit potential if the market stays where it is.

    Still have 300*600 Put Ratio Spread at 1210/1200 strikes.
     
    #8622     Jul 18, 2006
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    Prevail Guest

    nice phil. i've got the 1225x1205 july 3x2 ratio spread, lots of profit potential.
     
    #8623     Jul 18, 2006
  4. I assume your is a debit spread? What was the debit for a 3 by 2 if I may ask?


     
    #8624     Jul 18, 2006
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    Prevail Guest

    actually I set it up for a .5 credit several weeks ago. I didn't think it would actually come into play.

    I'm developing techniques to ward against dicontinuity. I think i'm leaning towards backspreads and calendars with their vega benefits. the trick is keeping the costs of down to be short premium yet be vega positive.
     
    #8625     Jul 18, 2006
  6. For a credit? Did you leg into it with those wide strikes?


     
    #8626     Jul 18, 2006
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    Prevail Guest

    it was one order on june 22. the 3x2 really helps.

     
    #8627     Jul 18, 2006
  8. Coach
    I put on thie ratio spread my OX virtual account and forgot all about it.Now, with RUT at 671, this is what it looks like.(see attachment). I thought it would be an interesting problem to tackle and keep our minds sharp.can we discuss the possible trade adjustments in this kind of situation.thanks
     
    #8628     Jul 18, 2006
  9. Prevail:

    Sorry but I got baby mush brains today. How did you open a long 3 1225 and short 2 1205 spread for a net credit without legging in? Or did I get the position wrong?
     
    #8629     Jul 18, 2006
  10. Those look like diagonal spreads, not put ratio spreads :)

     
    #8630     Jul 18, 2006