SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Prevail

    Prevail Guest

    By fading a simple ma system using about 13 for the long and 2 to 5 for the short will produce an equity curve similar to this. About a 70% win rate, obviously close to the inverse of a trend following model. Average trade is still over $2500, about 10 big sp points.
     
    #7951     Jun 21, 2006
  2. Ya prevail, countrend entries off MA can produce fairly consistent results. I like to use the 50x200 ema because I feel its more robust and can be used on many timeframes and instruments. I never use indicators for longer term plays... most of the time they will get pinned at extremes for months at a time and people will be blown out. I personally use raw price action to form confluence zones that work as synergy when things line up together for my spreads and swings.
     
    #7952     Jun 21, 2006
  3. alp168

    alp168

     
    #7953     Jun 21, 2006
  4. 1robert11

    1robert11

     
    #7954     Jun 21, 2006
  5. nravo

    nravo

    Ok. Then I am curious, why Ansbacher and some others I have heard about in passing, swear by SP options. Is there a benefit to trading SP with a broker versus ES eletronically? I'm surprised to hear that SP options have less volume than ES options. Shocked in fact. Do you mean the small number of SP options that may be traded eletronically? Or the pit options?
     
    #7955     Jun 21, 2006
  6. 1robert11

    1robert11

    Coach

    Would you please post what your next trade or hedge would be if the index took an event drop below your break even point of 1147 within a short time after placing the trade.

    My analysis shows that if the index droped to 1130 by the end of June, the position with an 8% IV increase would show a paper loss of $375K and a paper loss of $275K if it dropped to your break even point of 1147 in the same time frame.

    While I realize there are long deltas infront of the shorts, it still appears that having douple the shorts presents a substantial down side risk in an event or quick down move situation. In this down move...the IV will substantially increase, thereby also increasing the paper loss with double the shorts.


     
    #7956     Jun 21, 2006
  7. You are correct that a surge in vega will have an initial negative effect on the ratio position. If your modeling shows an immediate loss of $3,500 then it is certainly is small and manageable given the large risk. Especially given I have a $12,500 credit remember? So if I can close out the position for a $3,000 loss I still pocket $9,500. Unless you were factoring in the credit then it is still a small and managable loss.

    If I still feel that the index will not move below 1150, I will still hold the position since credit spreads also have wild paper loss swings with moves in the index. What has to hold up is my overall view on where the market is going. If the spike in IV accompanied a move to 1200 and I feel we bottomed after the news, I will hold since I am now in the lottery ticket zone and will stay if I feel the market will hold between 1150 and 1200.

    If the ES moves to 1200 and starts moving lower, then I couldl add some short futures in small increments, go long the 1150 Puts to convert to a butterfly using the credit to finance the cost as much as possible, look at the cost of buying back the 1175 Puts, add long puts at other strikes, or simply get out of the position.

    Thanks for the look into the 3*2. I will take a look at it. I like the 2*1 due to the nice net credit so if the market never moves lower I still make a nice profit. I will take a look at the comparisons and see how it looks :).

     
    #7957     Jun 21, 2006
  8. I daytrade futures... PURE technical indicators :D

     
    #7958     Jun 21, 2006
  9. Describe it in general and we can fill in the blanks maybe :D

     
    #7959     Jun 21, 2006
  10. I meant the volume electronically from what I see.

    I am sure Ansbacher likes the SP because it is $250 a point and with millions in funds to manage , he would rather go for the bigger product. I also assume he has his own person in the pit working his fills on SP. For me, ES works just fine :D.

     
    #7960     Jun 21, 2006