SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Not sure what strategy you are talking about. You mean naked FOTM calls vs FOTM credit spreads? No way you can go 150-200 points otm on the call side and get a better credit. Two pages ago i posted a screenshot of bear call spreads using the spx and es options. If you look at that you will see the puny credits. I still don't like selling call side premium into an increasing iv(if thats what we are getting into) but if you must go that route i'd stay CTM with ES options and swing the moves. Just my opinion.
     
    #7851     Jun 19, 2006
  2. I think your numbers are slightly off...with spx at 1252 the July(1225) calls are abt 41 and puts at 13... but with 17 on the vix the sell did make good money
     
    #7852     Jun 19, 2006
  3. daved275

    daved275

    Coach and everyone else,

    Can anyone tell me why the deltas listed for the spx are different when you compare Optionsxpress ( pricer) with those listed in Think or Swim.

    DAVE
     
    #7853     Jun 19, 2006
  4. Brokers many times use the mid-point, the average price or the last price to derive the deltas and this can lead to differences. Especially if they are not off by too much...
     
    #7854     Jun 19, 2006
  5. I believe, the deltas from Optionsxpress Option Pricer are based on a "Theo Value" (in red) given a single IV estimate for all strikes.

    This can lead to a "Theo Value" that is somewhat far away from where the actual market is due to skew etc.

    The further OTM strikes will have larger divergence.

    MoMoney.

     
    #7855     Jun 19, 2006
  6. daved275

    daved275

     
    #7856     Jun 19, 2006
  7. daved275

    daved275

     
    #7857     Jun 19, 2006
  8. YW. You might get a "better" delta when using the "Implied Volatility Chains" view as the deltas here are caculated from market prices.

    These should match up slightly better with those from thinkorswim given the caveats already mentioned by Phil above.

    MoMoney.

     
    #7858     Jun 19, 2006
  9. jeffm

    jeffm

    For the public record and knowledge:

    ES ~ 1257, VIX ~ 17

    JUL 1050P 0.95 bid 200 pts OTM
    JUL 1150P 3.75 bid 100 pts OTM
    JUL 1225P and C are both about 21 bid 22 ask ATM
    JUL 1320C 0.85 bid 70 pts OTM
    JUL 1360C 0.20 bid 100 pts OTM
     
    #7859     Jun 19, 2006
  10. rdemyan

    rdemyan

    Jeff:

    Thanks for the info. I found your previous post intriguing, but it looks like there is a substantial skew in the pricing of puts versus calls. Integral to my strategy is that I avoid the black swan event to the best of my ability, which currently means no puts. I was a bit disappointed to see that naked call options on futures don't seem to have much value relative to puts. I knew that there would be a skew, but it was much more than I expected.

     
    #7860     Jun 19, 2006