SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. cdowis

    cdowis

    I just found an interesting difference between my futures SP trading and spx -- while the premium on a 10 lot on the spx is similar to the single lot on the sp, there is a major difference in commission.

    It costs me $120 round turn for an ic on the spx in optionsxpress, the sp only costs me $40 in alaron.
     
    #6471     May 15, 2006
  2. Can you give an example trade on the SP and compare it to SPX? What are the spreads and premium on SP like?

     
    #6472     May 15, 2006
  3. rdemyan

    rdemyan

    Coach:

    What's your take on June positions? I don't think you have any yet, but are you trying to place any?
     
    #6473     May 15, 2006
  4. I have filed my 2004 and 2005 taxes using the 60/40 treatment on SPX options proceeds. I have confirmed this with an accountant who specializes in taxes for traders.

    If this isnt so then i guess i may be hearing from the IRS soon. :D


    On a side note, this market seems spooked to me. Dollar is up sharply, coms/oil down sharply, yet we cant even pull off a bounce off of oversold levels. This doesnt look good at all. I'd be cautious opening any short put positions here.
     
    #6474     May 15, 2006
  5. Rally...isn't the bottom of your channel around 1280? I read an interesting take by the person I follow on oscillators this am. She said the market as a whole has actually BEEN in a decline the past couple of months(breadth etc) and that the wash out was the indicies catching up. She says we should be oversold (short term) by next week. I have an order in for June 1370 calls for .45 but probably won't get filled. Will be trying to fill the long part of the call side this week.
     
    #6475     May 15, 2006
  6. gave up .10..filled for .55

    I do expect volatility this week and some days that could be up...so legging into the call side seems reasonable.
     
    #6476     May 15, 2006
  7. I dont see a good entry until 1270 which is what i am waiting for. i am in no rush to open put spreads given the fact that i only go 20-25 points OTM.

    i've made some great gains the first half of this year, my goal now is to hold on to those or add slightly. So i will be skipping any questionable entires.
     
    #6477     May 15, 2006
  8. rdemyan,

    why enter a bear call spread after a huge selloff? Any particular reason you decided to open it today and not last wed after the fed said more hikes to come? I really am trying hard to understand some of the logic behind some of the entries i see posted but i keep coming up empty. These strategies that we all do already have -expectancy, why some people try to make that even worse is beyond me.
     
    #6478     May 15, 2006
  9. rdemyan

    rdemyan

    It's a fair question, but I can't give you a 100% logical answer based on technical analysis.

    The trade meets my credit requirements and the short is 65 points OTM. Now, to be clear, this is a trade that I put on using my own criteria.

    But for grins, let's look at a post you made on 5/12/06 regarding FOTM spreads. :)

    In that post you said the following:

    1) The only thing I would trade is bear call spreads.
    1) I would open front month spreads 4 - 5 weeks out. We are currently 31 days from expiration in June.
    2) I would go 65 to 70 points OTM. My position today was 65+ points out when initially placed.
    3) "try to get $0.5 or better on a 10 pointer". That would equate to about $0.75 or better on a 15 pointer (assuming equal ROM). I got $0.70.

    EDIT: It is true that this trade comes far from meeting one of your major criteria: "enter trades when the SPX is at/within 5-10 points of the 3-month high".

    Still the trade I placed meets or comes very close to meeting much of your criteria [except for that very important point 3)] for entering an FOTM spread (which I know you don't trade).

    But I placed this trade to meet my criteria and it was not based on what you posted. I expect the market to trade in a neutral range or down and also I'm not the biggest fan of using technical analysis only to open positions in today's trading world.


     
    #6479     May 15, 2006
  10. scienter

    scienter

    Piccon,

    Did you place any bull put's today? Could have probably got something decent in the 1270 to 1260's for a 3 day hold. I'm Still hanging tough on the 1280's....nice bounce at the end of the day:)
     
    #6480     May 15, 2006