SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. B5476

    B5476

    It is the value calculated to establish the settlement price for SPX options. It is derived from the opening prices of all 500 S&P stocks on the Friday morning after the options cease trading on Thursday afternoon.

    It can ( and almost always does) differ from both the Thursday closing price of the index as well as the Friday opening price of the index. The nightmare scenario is that you think all of your short positions are OTM the night before so you let them expire. One or more of the S&P stocks gaps the next morning and you are suddenly short ITM options. For this reason it is always a good idea to close your short positions if they are close to being ITM.
     
    #6271     May 11, 2006
  2. :eek:
     
    #6272     May 11, 2006
  3. scienter

    scienter

    Novice back at ya: it is the price that the spx settles for at the open or expiration. In many case the SET can be substantially different from Thursday's close. Others may have more experience with it, but there have been some overnight moves such that the SET is 1-2% higher/lower than close the night berfore. There was great chart that someone posted a few weeks back that listed the Thur. close and the SET price for the past several years. It was very eye-opening for me. I was suprised at how much the SET can vary...check it out



     
    #6273     May 11, 2006
  4. I'd say;

    0-10 points OTM thurs afternoon, close the position for sure.

    10-20 points keep them open if you're balls are made of brass.

    20+ points will generally be ok.
     
    #6274     May 11, 2006
  5. cdowis

    cdowis

    Thanks very much.

    While I have your attention, can someone explain the difference between a butterfly and ic, regards risk/reward. I saw some interesting posts on the subject.

    thanks
     
    #6275     May 11, 2006
  6. the last set was a good example of this. GOOG and some others reported good earnings and gapped up taking the SET up to 1321 or so if i am not mistaken. The SPX high was 1316 or something like that. So just like momoney said, the SET knows no s/r levels and can bite you when you least expect it.
     
    #6276     May 11, 2006
  7. piccon

    piccon

    Positions Update

    15 SPX 1375/1385 @ 1 now worth 0.4
    10 RUT 820/830 @ 1.50 now worth 0.50
    8 SPY PUT 129 @ 0.70 now worth 1.15

    I am looking at 1250 for PUT and not higher. I think We are going to test MA(50) on SPX and RUT tomorrow

    RUT MA(50)=754 Close at 757
    SPX MA(50)=1300 Close @ 1304

    I will do my best to enter some June 1250/1240 and maybe some May 1280/1270 as my short term oscillators are getting oversold.

    It was about time for this bloodbath.


     
    #6277     May 11, 2006
  8. scienter

    scienter

    Cache, you said the SET:


    "can ( and almost always does) differ from both the Thursday closing price of the index as well as the Friday opening price of the index."


    As a relatively new spread trader, what suprised me the most about SET is that it can also differ from Friday's opening price.

    Evidently, the opening price of the index must represent the opening price of different number of SP 500 stocks as compared with the SET or represent a different time period for calculation.

    Do you know how this distinction is formed?

    For example is the SET calculated using the opening price of ALL 500 stocks once they ALL open (could be sometime after 9:30)and the opening price of the index the actual number of stocks that open at 9:30 (whatever that number may be...and possibly less than 500)
     
    #6278     May 11, 2006
  9. The SET is determined by the opening price of EACH INDIVIDUAL stock in the index. If one stock has a delayed opening - then SET cannot be lknown until after thatd elayed opening. SET does not represent the price of the index in 'real time'.

    The 'real time' opening price of the index itself is published - regardless of how many of the individual stocks have opened for trading.

    Mark
     
    #6279     May 11, 2006
  10. scienter

    scienter

    Thanks, that what I thought...so the cash index will print the aggregate price of number of stocks that open at 9:30...even if the number is 400+. The SET is based on the opening price of all 500, which may be sometime after 9:30.

    Does anyone know if the latest a SET has been established?





     
    #6280     May 11, 2006