SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. skanan

    skanan

    I'm very new to this so I limit myself using cash index. This limits my number of contracts too. Andy Smith brought up this point a while ago. You can search his name and posts to get more info.

     
    #5221     Apr 18, 2006
  2. why am i never at my desk when stuff like this happens, i should've taken a late lunch today.
     
    #5222     Apr 18, 2006
  3. Sailing

    Sailing

    Donna,

    The May calls are making money, unfortunately the May puts are losing money... per say. The shorts will expire worthless, but is volatility which we want.

    It's VEGA which we are trading, not Delta.

    As it stands now... the trade is profitable and with little risk.

    Phil,

    We were looking to sell calendars into anytype of volatility movement, but it really didn't happen soon enough, so now.. it's expire and sell a short strangle to form a condor. Possibly leg into each side as Delta allows.

    Murray


    Sorry for the Delay... been studying futures with a microscope and have a ton of questions the experieced futures traders out there.




    Coach and Murray...with this upsurg in spx how is the call diag going? Coach are you going to hold on to May's calls in the diag I know Murray said he would be closing the spread and opening a new one. [/QUOTE]
     
    #5223     Apr 18, 2006
  4. Sailing

    Sailing

    Phil,

    With less than three days to expiration, tell me why you closed the Diagonal Position.

    The 660 net credit was yours for the taking.... no matter how far down the market would move the next two days.

    The additional 200+ was ear-marked for a nice follow-through rally from here going forward. As the past has shown, there is a high probability the market will move up tomorrow from here.... as you look back over the past six months of upside correction from lower channel resistance.

    It would be appear to me that the small amount of additional credit would be worth the probable movement upward by leaving the diagonal position on until expiration.

    If you're only looking.... for next month.... I would feel the justification (reward:risk) favors leaving the position on until expiration.

    Even an increase in volatility would save the deteriation of the Long may call... and being expiration week... many rolled positions would help stabalize or increase the volatility of that position during the next two days.

    Keep a (paper trade) eye on the call.... let's see what would have resulted.

    Murray
     
    #5224     Apr 18, 2006
  5. Well I pocketed about $800 on the 10 * 8 call diagonal so I think I will do them in small bunches to bring in credits and potential for more profits. I am going to look into what strikes I might grab on the surge today to take advantage for a MAY/JUNE Diagonal.
     
    #5225     Apr 18, 2006
  6. Added some call spreads to my put spreads for MAY for an Iron Condor. I think we have some upside but I chose the 1370 strike for my short calls to give me a nice cushion. Sold 500 of teh 1370/1380 Call Spreads for $0.20. Basically I recoup the cost of my SPY Put and VIX Call hedges and put more money in my pocket potentially at expiration.

    REVISED POSITIONS:


    MAY POSITIONS


    -500 SPX MAY 1215/1225/1370/1380 Iron Condors @ $0.60

    Credit = $30,000
    Risk = $480,000
    Return = 6.25%

    Long 100 VIX MAY 20.00 Calls @ $0.20
    Cost = $2,000

    Long 50 VIX MAY 15.0 Calls @ $0.62
    Cost = $3,100

    APRIL POSITIONS

    SPX CALL DIAGONAL SPREAD:

    - 8 SPX APR 1340 Calls @ $4.70
    + 10 SPX MAY 1375 Calls @ $3.10

    Initial Net Credit = $660

    Closed for net credit of $815.25


    SPX BULL PUT SPREAD:

    - 350 SPX APR 1225/1235 Put Spreads @ $0.35

    Net Credit = $12,250

    Closed for net credit of $0.15 or $5,250



    PUT SPREAD PARTIAL HEDGE:

    + 100 SPY APR 126/125 Put Spreads @ $0.10

    Net Debit = $1,000

    Assumed closed for $1,000 loss
     
    #5226     Apr 18, 2006
  7. rdemyan

    rdemyan

    Coach:

    It seems like you have become very conservative over the last couple of months. Is my take on this correct? If so, is there a specific reason?

    Thanks.

     
    #5227     Apr 18, 2006
  8. Yeah, me too. I step away for a couple hours and look what happens. At least we get an idea for what we can expect after the next fed meeting. I'm starting to think I should've waited a couple days to open the calls earlier.
     
    #5228     Apr 18, 2006
  9. Well the amounts have gotten a bigger so I am trying to shoot for more consistency. The post-Katrina and pre-Thanksgiving swings last year ate into my profits a bit so I want to go as far OTM as I can and not get to greedy :D


     
    #5229     Apr 18, 2006
  10. ryank

    ryank

    I tried to close out my April 1235/1245 put spread for .05 today. Got a partial fill and now will have to wait until tomorrow to finish out the rest. I think I have read other people complain that they got hit with 2 commissions when this happened to them (this is an OX account), is that the case?

    ryan
     
    #5230     Apr 18, 2006