SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Nice, long overdue panic selloff underway.... as long as the mid-day reversal does not kick in. VIX moving steadily higher the last few days.

    [EDIT] The only issue with this selloff is that the bond market is substantially up today... hmmm.
     
    #4991     Apr 11, 2006
  2. ryank

    ryank

    Donna was filled at 10am on a put, now look at the daily chart for the S&P so far. Donna may be our newest indicator!

    ryan
     
    #4992     Apr 11, 2006
  3. I'll have to post a pic of MY cat maggie...She wispers in my ear when to buy:p
     
    #4993     Apr 11, 2006
  4. Not sure I follow. I would not be looking to hold futures as a position but as a hedge. Like in July 2002 when the market crashed hard over two days and made a huge swing lower. Trying to get out of put spreads would be hard given the wild moves but you can grab the ES futures and short them and let them run and set up a cut off on the upside. You woul dhave to be willing to give up all profits on the spread in order to hedge. The main goal is to unwind the spread and futures at even or a very small loss, a profit if you are lucky. This should rarely but when it does, you got to hedge fast. Of course it works better if you are in front of the screen as the bad news is hitting or the market is collapsing :).

    As for an example, assume you are about 20 points away on a $10,000 spread for a credit of $1,000. The market has two bad earnings reports and begins to drop heavily at the open, down perhaps 9 points. You could short a certain number of contracts to hedge against continued drop and set a stop loss at a certain amount as to when you would get out. If the market keeps dropping, the futures profit will hedge against a losses you might have to take to get out, especially if expiration is close.

    This is not a perfect hedge either, the point is to stop the bleeding on the sudden move against you so you can get out with a limited loss as fast as possible.

     
    #4994     Apr 11, 2006
  5. ChrisM

    ChrisM

    Misunderstanding. Futures against options explain all. Didn`t catch whole picture, sorry.
     
    #4995     Apr 11, 2006
  6. Looking at some put spreads, MAY 1195/1205 or 1200/1210 for 0.50, but wondering if this Iran/nuke thing will cause a meltdown.....
     
    #4996     Apr 11, 2006
  7. Today's action shows how the futures are being pushed down first, and then being followed by SPX (assuming there is no lag in my realtime quotes for SPX).... I'm still puzzled by how the SPX can be manipulated by the futures.
     
    #4997     Apr 11, 2006
  8. IMO, events like this play themselves out more slowly so the drop is more steady and you will have time to get out or adjust. It is the unexpected events that cause real problems for FOTM spreads.

    Iran causing problems will cause a drop but not a crash. Iran building its first nuke warhead and firing it at U.S. forces. Now that's a crash event.
     
    #4998     Apr 11, 2006
  9. Sailing

    Sailing

    FYI,

    Just filled a May Put Spread:
    1210p/1225p @ $1.00

    Oil concerns beginning to ramp up May premium.

    Vega increase really looking good on the diagonal.
     
    #4999     Apr 11, 2006
  10. Sailing

    Sailing

    Phil,

    Just a thought on your positions keyword search page.....

    maybe a keyword search based on the expiration of those positions. This would make looking back at various month expiraton positons easier.

    Keyword Example: ExpirationMay05

    :)
     
    #5000     Apr 11, 2006