SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Osho:

    I have not explored calendars in this thread because I do not think they are compatible with what I am trading here. I use calendars sparingly on stocks when there is an FDA announcement or significant earnings where a large skew occurs and I can place a type of home run trade taking advantage of the skew. But not for this kind of trading.

    I am not a big fan of calendars and maybe trade 3 or 4 a year at most. So I am not the best person to ask about calendars.


     
    #1361     Oct 20, 2005
  2. Thanks Smiling and Optioncoach for your replies.

    At the moment I an selling naked puts on indices and futures. I only use 50% of my capital. Now I am scared that someday my account will get wiped out. So the quest is there what to do. I want to earn premium month after month and I am searching how best it can be done. Any broad pointers would be helpful. Thanks
     
    #1362     Oct 20, 2005
  3. The only thing I can say is selling naked puts is pretty risky given the nature of the strategy. If selling puts is the strategy you are most comfortable with with respect to the indices why not look into doing it with credit spreads. If you are willing to commit X% of your capital you can probably risk less than that doing spreads and still achieve good returns without the significant risk of naked options. For example if you were selling puts backed by $50,000, then perhaps you can just use $30,000 and sell credit spreads. I am just using examples but you can play around with it and see.

    Also, naked puts are more susceptible to IV spikes on a downward move than spreads are.

    As for stocks, if you are selling puts on stocks you would not mind owning if assigned then perhaps you can stick with that as long as you are aware of the risks.

     
    #1363     Oct 20, 2005
  4. #1364     Oct 20, 2005
  5. Similing, you wrote: "Plus no risk of catastrophe, as in the case of "credit spreads."
    Is this because the risk/reward ratio is better? Please explain, thanks.


     
    #1365     Oct 20, 2005
  6. Just a little volatility, huh!?!

    Now I'm glad I'm out of the 1170 Puts. I feel schizophrenic.

    SET tomorrow will probably be 1250! LOL
     
    #1366     Oct 20, 2005
  7. The SPX giveth and the SPX taketh away. Boy am I glad I closed out my 555 XEOs cause the market was at 554. Of course it is now 545.55 lol.

    Some people must be getting whipsawed like crazy!

     
    #1367     Oct 20, 2005
  8. There's a not completely useless book that discusses credit spreads on futures options if you're interested:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...102-0526283-8510540?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Does a decent job of covering the in's and out's of SPAN margining etc. The short version is that you get more bang for your buck. Didn't buy the book just flicked through it.

    Unfortunately my broker doesn't yet support options on futures :(

    Was going to ask Phil if we could tag team TOS into submission on this point but....am too lazy.

    Will probably go with Tradestation or other eventually for this purpose.

    Momoney.
     
    #1368     Oct 20, 2005
  9. I already spoke with ToS on this issue and some of the guys there would love to have options on futures since many trade them. But they said for now they are not going to offer it. It goes by client demand and regulatory issues so they might do it down the road but not now.

    TradeStation is good and I am moving my futures trading there but options and futures have to be in two different accounts and the options on futures is a mroe complicated account (pit trading account) according to TS. I do not think it is a big deal but not as easy as IB where everything is just in one account and you trade it all. I just do not like IB. Will wait on ToS.

    Phil

     
    #1369     Oct 20, 2005
  10. lol, I have some short 545 strikes that have been violated 3 times in 2 weeks now but I'm just letting it ride...all part of the fun :p

    Not an approach recommended for people with anything but pure play money at risk, naturally.

    Momoney.
     
    #1370     Oct 20, 2005