SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Hmm selling a strangle and buying the wings......

    sounds like an Iron Condor to me.... :D

     
    #12201     Nov 30, 2006
  2. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Yes, but you are doing it synthetically which is pointless. Why not just sell the 1440 call and the 1360 put. Tighter spreads and more liquid!
     
    #12202     Nov 30, 2006
  3. Yes, I quit reading it before I got through it all. Another thing that was weird, is that he mentioned these "Siamese Condors". So I googled it and found the article.

    http://www.sfomag.com/homefeaturedetail.asp?ID=1563109335&MonthNameID=September&YearID=2004

    If you look at this "new strategy", it seems to me like this is identical to an iron butterly. Does this guy just rehash strategies that exist with a cool new name? I mean, Boston Strangler, Siamese Condors ... sweet names :D

     
    #12203     Nov 30, 2006
  4. Phil,

    I think the method is similar to IV_Trader's "old" strategy. But Mav has pointed out during the discussion with IV_Trader that it is better to selling the OTM strangle instead of the ITM strangle. I am not going to elaborate on it, but you can do a search.

    If Mav would like to do a favor for the readers here, he might repeat his reasons here.

    [edit] I think IV_Trader used that strategy for volatility play (mostly for earnings).
     
    #12204     Nov 30, 2006
  5. That is the problem following strategies is that people devise their own unique names so that people look at it like their own strategy. All this is, is an Iron Condor with ITM v. OTM options.

    This would work better on XEO or RUT where spreads are tighter than SPX. Or on ES options perhaps...

     
    #12205     Nov 30, 2006
  6. no , I was using the ITM's ONLY for reverse calendars (one day position) for certain twist that occurs next morning after report. Otherwise , its just like Mav said : ITM=OTM with larger spread.
     
    #12206     Nov 30, 2006
  7. IV,

    sorry to misinterpret your strategy. I just mentioned so they can search for the old discussion to get the idea why OTM is better than ITM.
     
    #12207     Nov 30, 2006
  8. By the way, it may not have been clear that what I was doing was summarizing what was said in the article and exploring the comparison. Did not say I was going to do these or switch everything over to them. When two positions are synthetic equivalents often there realistic differences (spreads on the options) or personal advantages of choosing one over the other (i.e. covered calls v. naked puts).
     
    #12208     Nov 30, 2006
  9. Mav,
    Your insight has given me an idea. Clearly, liquidity and wide spreads among various synthetic constructs implies an equivalent inefficiency in option prices. Do you know of any scanner software packages or trading tools that can scan real-time price data using various synthetic equivalent trades for an arbitrary underlying and generic strategy (e.g. spread, strangle etc) and discover the best way to "tweak" out a better price advantage?

    It seems to me this would be a very valuable tool for active traders to have and would not be all that difficult to program. Since I have an enormous amount of software engineering experience background I am thinking this might be something worth developing for my own use and possibly even marketing it.

    What do you think?

    TS
     
    #12209     Nov 30, 2006
  10. Sailing

    Sailing

    Ask IV... or Volatility Pimp, can't remember which.

    This is what he does for a living...

    M~





     
    #12210     Nov 30, 2006