SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Just buy some calls to hedge against the upside risk.
     
    #11131     Oct 16, 2006
  2. Murray,

    How about your RUT positions? Did you hedge, roll, or add Nov/Dec positions?
     
    #11132     Oct 16, 2006
  3. newbie463

    newbie463

    spx ~ 1369 vix 11

    nov 1340 calls ~39.3 mid (about $10 premium)


    nov 1400 puts ~31.5 mid (hardly any premium)



    hmmmmmmmmmmmm. man those puts seem cheap.

    any thoughts?

    newbie463
     
    #11133     Oct 16, 2006
  4. Sailing

    Sailing

    Added a 6x9 call backspread to the RUT. The backspread moved the BE's up quite a bit... bought back the lower Put Diagonal. Sold a put spread to help finance some OTM calls for positive curvature.

    Man... this market is relentless. May push the bubble to short term next month. This increases RISK, but allows for some more time for the market to take a breather.

    M~


     
    #11134     Oct 16, 2006
  5. Can you explain your 6x9 call backspread?

    I also sold a put spread to move up the upside BE, but obviously it will move up the lower BE as well. Now my BEs are 750 and 776, assuming the current vol.

    [edit] I cann't do any backspread as I have consumed all my margin trying to hedge the call diagonal. My brokerage charges me both legs and it really hurt my leverage.
     
    #11135     Oct 16, 2006
  6. mantenar

    mantenar

    Hi All,

    I have the following diagonal spread on SPX.

    sold - 1350 Oct call
    bought - 1375 Nov call for a debit of 2.30

    sold 1275 Oct put
    bought 1250 Nov put for credit of .15

    Total cost is 2.15 (debit)
    Total loss for the position is 7.7 at SPX at 1369.

    I can think of the following adjustment options. I am hoping there will be some selloff before Thurs this week. I want to wait till wed day.

    1. Take the loss and open the positions for Nov/Dec.

    2. Buy some calls at 1375 to add some hedge. 1375 oct call costs about 3.00. It seems to be expensive to add this hedge.

    3. Buy back 1350 oct call and sell 1385 nov call to make it into bull call spread.

    I am not sure what to do with put spread. - Buy back 1275 oct put and sell 1240 nov put - to turn into bull put spread (credit spread) . The next month diagonal spread will be opened at 1335/1300 puts which provides some protections.


    4. Turn both spreads into Iron condor ?? -

    maybe not an option.


    I think that SPX has significant gains in a short period of time. I know that the best adjustment option depends upon the market direction. Please let me know your thoughts based on your prediction given the market strength.
     
    #11136     Oct 16, 2006
  7. The field is getting crowded. Wonder if all this option selling creates downward pressure on the premiums?
     
    #11137     Oct 16, 2006
  8. He is doing the same thing we all are doing lol. All that talk of fancy proprietary software picking bands. Could just use normal historical standard deviations :).

    I find it funny that he was also written up in Futures Magazine this month. Sounds like he is on a publicity tour....

    My favortie quote:

    "So while Argus may have some higher short term risk, it has, by definition, lower long term risk in that a Black Monday won't completely wipe out the account. "

    Priceless. Amaranth was not 100% wiped out either with its trades. we all know how risky this strategy can be even if properly managed and it is funny how they make it seem so conservative and simple....


     
    #11138     Oct 16, 2006
  9. Nice article Leon. I didnt know that bollinger bands/keltner channels were proprietary? LOL I guess if you are marketing a product, you have to make it sound appealing. Phil, i am sure you'd say the same stuff if you had a hedge fund open to investors.

    "Proprietary risk management technique that reduces risk without eliminating profits" :D

    Nice spin. So the whole hedge fund is trading 5:1 risk/reward call verticals, and diversifying in the back months with a stop at 2:1 or 3:1 initial credit. I wonder how he is doing this month? Anyone know? :D

    EDIT: performance record.

    http://www.arguscapitalmanagement.com/performance.html
     
    #11139     Oct 16, 2006
  10. May "accidently" delay this months reporting. Hope for at least lukewarm Nov returns to counterbalance the whammy in Oct. Then post together and maybe no one notices.:D
     
    #11140     Oct 17, 2006