SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Well spotted. So the solution is to write the appropriate strike in December e.g. 1395 instead:

    -1 OCT EW 1385
    +2 NOV EW 1385
    -1 DEC EW 1395

    Net credit on the trade will be smaller.
     
    #10981     Oct 10, 2006
  2. Ahh mystery solved. THANKS TPLAST!

    Unique problem when using EWs. Thanks for the heads up. Even at those prices the loss is still limited (about 6 points when the credit is deducted.) Witin my loss cushion (about $7,500)

    I think the right approach then is to make an adjustment as the index moves past the strike to cover that scenario. Since we were too close to ES I went with EW and will be aware of the adjustment. I will price out the ES strikes in the future and stick with those to avoid that.

    Good thing is that not only is the loss limited but I do not see us at 1440 in 3 weeks lol... If we hit 1400 I will simply adjust and remove that risk.

    Mo already demonstrated a good fix for that as well.

    See... that is why I bring this stuff here, enough smart minds to solve any option problem!

     
    #10982     Oct 10, 2006
  3. Very similar to a combo long backspread graph, but a better PnL distro. The Coach position has an added benefit of mid-duration +dgamma and +smile over the long combo backspread.
     
    #10983     Oct 10, 2006
  4. to assign bearish bias one should sell less of OCT and more of DEC ( and to get at least double $ credit)
     
    #10984     Oct 10, 2006
  5. at the expense of vega.
     
    #10985     Oct 10, 2006
  6. true , but ramp in vega will come with inverse of price ( market goes down) , and then gamma gains will be ahead , no ?
     
    #10986     Oct 10, 2006
  7. delta, not gamma. You're reducing gamma if reducing Oct and increasing Dec. Speed decreases via an increase in mag of initial delta.
     
    #10987     Oct 10, 2006
  8. There really is no need for a bearish bias in the call spread. I could simply OTM Put cross month FLYs and have a nice profit on the downside as well :).

    Adding both makes it look like kind of a batman spread.
     
    #10988     Oct 10, 2006
  9. Based on mid prices for the cross month AUG-SEP-OCT as of 7/25/06 SPX 1268.88

    1275 S10 aug / L20 sep / S10 oct
    7/25/06 12.9 22.8 33.4
    8/17/06 23.0 33.4 45.5
    8/17/06 -101 212 -121 total loss -1000

    1300 S10 aug / L20 sep / S10 oct
    7/25/06 3.6 10.9 20.1
    8/17/06 3.0 15.6 28.5
    8/17/06 6.0 94.0 -84 total gain 1600 (which is a lot less as suggested by enclosed price model)

    1325 S10 aug / L20 sep / S10 oct
    7/25/06 0.7 3.8 10.5
    8/17/06 0.0 5.1 15.0
    8/17/06 7.0 26 -45.0 total loss -1200
     
    #10989     Oct 10, 2006
  10. FYI: Enclosed SEP EOD optionquotes on 8/17/06.
     
    #10990     Oct 10, 2006