SPX Credit Spread Trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by El OchoCinco, May 17, 2005.

  1. Great, I can see CNBC in Greece:

    "We are waiting the Greece GDP numbers and inflation numbers here at 8:30 AM...

    OK here it is, GDP at 2.3%, revised from 2.2% due to decreased activity in the pimps and hoes sector. This was expected given the slow spring season and should pick up as tourist season begins.

    CPI up .4%, a little hotter than the .3% analysts expected. Most of the increase however seems to come from the average cost per BJ increasing 300 drachma on a quarterly basis. If you strip out lapdances and 2somes, core CPI is still in line with expectations."

    :D

     
    #10561     Sep 29, 2006
  2. Here's the answer from OX about the below hedged position.

    Kim: ok, in order to place this trade, you would still need to hold at least 50% of the amount of the short stock in cash
    Kim: there would be no releif for the long call to offset that position
    Heather: so you dont offer haircut margin?
    Kim: no, we do not offer the margin releif on this type of position



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    Well I was saying that that is your max risk, a good retail broker should also count it that way and not treat it as a short stock margin and a long call. You might not need haircut to do that. if you were short stock and bought a call, your Reg T margin should drop. Ask your broker (ToS or OX) to see.





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    Quote from Heatheranderson:

    Coach and others,
    My idea is scalping without worrying about greeks.I intend to purchase front month calls and keep shorting SPY whenever appropriate. If i do this in retail account i have to put up 50% stock cost as well as the cost of long calls which will reduce the ROI. But with just $2000 and cost of long calls, the ROI would be lot more.
    what do you think?.
     
    #10562     Sep 29, 2006
  3. cdowis

    cdowis

    Heather, if this came from the live support, I would call the trade desk. I have gotten bad margin info from Live support on OX. Talk with the margin guy.
     
    #10563     Sep 29, 2006
  4. Retail customers NEVER get haircut margin.

    Mark
     
    #10564     Sep 29, 2006
  5. ChrisM

    ChrisM

    On positive side - it is good to know that only my country of origin brings some fun to the world when trying to do something smart :D

    Back to biz - Coach, can you show the numbers - min and max value for 1340/1350 EW/ES you have observed through the life of this spread ?
     
    #10565     Sep 29, 2006
  6. ChrisM

    ChrisM

    I used to trade flies. The best results I had was with buying back body on dips and then selling them again. This works for normal market however, i.e. making corrections, not flying to the sky all the time :)
     
    #10566     Sep 29, 2006
  7. Well I do not remember the widest and narrowest prices of the EW/ES spread I have but I will be posting my adjustment as I trade it around 3:00 PM...
     
    #10567     Sep 29, 2006
  8. Yes, try the margin desk since the position is hedged I would assume that even under Reg T. it would not be treated as a separate short and a long call.

    Been a while since I have done a position like that so I may be wrong... But call compliance/margin department.

     
    #10568     Sep 29, 2006
  9. This actually was an adjustment to my current spread...as we discussed earlier in this thread using a B-fly to roll up. deleted it now but was trying to substitute another chart...hope no one minds...
     
    #10569     Sep 29, 2006
  10. jeffm

    jeffm

    Phil will post his numbers later, but in the meantime, here are the numbers for an EW diagonal I have going off the board today.

    9/15 ES 1332
    sold SEP EW1350C for 2.30, bot OCT ES1370C for 2.30, net debit $0.

    As the mkt moved up on 9/20, the spread hit its max loss, which was about (1.10). When SPX dropped the next day, the diag went to a profit of 0.20 or so. This again dropped to (0.75) as SPX climbed early this week.
    The last 3 days of this week have been perfect for a call diag, i.e. flat. As the value of the EW shorts has drained, the spread has moved to 2.60.
    At today's end, I am expecting the spread to finish at about 3.40.

    Of course, if we jump up a few points over ES1350 this afternoon, hilarity will ensue :mad:

     
    #10570     Sep 29, 2006