Spreads versus Butterfly

Discussion in 'Options' started by wxytrader, Aug 7, 2024.

  1. poopy

    poopy

    Almost 0.
     
    #91     Aug 23, 2024
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  2. poopy

    poopy


    Just stop. You're wrong.
     
    #92     Aug 23, 2024
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  3. No I'm not...on either!

    Look at the pnl profile. The maximum loss is the cost of the puts....after that the puts will offset the stock losses. The maximum gain is unlimited. That's exactly the same as a call option.

    I'm also not wrong about a long call option losing less value than a short stock position gains value after a drop because of extrinsic value. If the stock drops $2 the long call will not lose @2 in value...it will lose something less prior to expiration.

    Let's not forget I was the one who pointed out that indirectly option prices do adjust for trend reversals via the skew/smile where you pay relatively more for OTM than ITM. I haven't looked at it yet but I assume that the skew in OTM puts will increase the longer an uptrend continues...and will decrease in OTM calls....the greatest skew being within 1 SD. Anyone confirm?
     
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    #93     Aug 23, 2024
  4. poopy

    poopy

    Long synthetic (short put + call at same strike) = shares. Financing is embedded in the synthetic so it may trade off a bit from the shares, but ignoring the aforementioned they are equal. These arbs enforce parity.

    Forward at 102. Shares at 102. The 100C is worth 4. What is the value of the 100P(x)? Solve for x.
     
    #94     Aug 23, 2024
  5. poopy

    poopy

    It is, you microcephalic.
     
    #95     Aug 23, 2024
  6. poopy

    poopy

    Archived.
     
    #96     Aug 23, 2024
  7. How can it equal shares ? If a stock moves $1 the options will only move the Delta, and will have extrinsic value before expiry. This is why you have to keep adjusting for delta neutrality.
     
    #97     Aug 23, 2024
  8. poopy

    poopy

    The put and call have the same extrinsic value. You're long the call and short the put so the extrinsic val cancels which results in D1/shares.
     
    #98     Aug 23, 2024
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  9. re-archive as I updated it with an example. :)
     
    #99     Aug 23, 2024
  10. poopy

    poopy


    You removed the word "discovered" with the phrase "pointed out"
     
    #100     Aug 23, 2024