Spiritual Aspects of Trading

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by algorythm, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. More artistic license taken by the editors of my acts and messages.

    The real meaning of this message is this:

    This entire world is an illusion full of idols to keep you from knowing the truth. Each idol binds you to the earth as long as you keep it. As you turn each of them over to the Holy Spirit, you are given truth instead. So long as you retain but one special illusion, one "secret" idol, you do not let this world go. And what does this world have to offer you? Death. You do not leave this world through death, you leave it through truth.

    Thus, it is not the Holy Spirit who is the killer. It is you and your idols. The Holy Spirit is gentle as a dove.

    Jesus
     
    #41     Jan 20, 2007
  2. The worst I can say about this is it's not very funny.

    Jesus
     
    #42     Jan 20, 2007
  3. Two points.

    Jesus
     
    #43     Jan 20, 2007
  4. This world is a place for equals to search for something his brother does not have. Something special. Something beyond everything. It can only be this way because all are equal, and all have everything. Our Father gave each of us everything equally. This world is a place to squander one's inheritance, until realizing it was better back at Home. Then you get back on the "path to life".

    Meanwhile, changing behavior would not be the answer. Seek first the Kingdom of God. Then your actions will follow your beliefs and perceptions. As long as there is a belief that it's possible to gain while someone else loses, this world will be your home. Those who have everything cannot gain, and cannot lose.

    Buddha found that path.

    Jesus
     
    #44     Jan 20, 2007
  5. Yes, liberation from this world. There are more similarities in the methodologies than you may realize. In the end, you do not leave this world through "death", you leave it through truth. Buddha "died" conventionally, but left this world through truth in his next incarnation.

    Jesus
     
    #45     Jan 20, 2007
  6. You are making good progress in your introspection. God cannot be incarnated, but God can appear to be incarnate. In other words, all incarnations are appearances, including your own. Incarnation is everything God is not. It's about proving the impossible. How could it be anything other than an appearance?

    Jesus
     
    #46     Jan 20, 2007
  7. Two points.

    Jesus
     
    #47     Jan 20, 2007
  8. Cutten

    Cutten

    I'm a sceptical empiricist who believes that humans are basically sophisticated pigs mostly driven by natural impulses and socially-conditioned responses. I think at least 99% of all spiritual thinking (good example, just to show I'm not biased - Richard Dawkins' "wonder" at the complexity and "beauty" of the universe) is meaningless sophistry.

    As for the application to trading, I find it works very well. Sceptical empiricism is IMO the best available approach to trading. Observe like buggery for years, cogitative to form hypotheses based on your observation/experience/intuition, test (on minimal size of course) to see how the theory holds up (markets are great for this since you can backtest *and* forward test), then implement if the theory is strongly confirmed by results. Most people's approach is the exact opposite - they form a theory based on either no observation at all, or a very superficial, cursory, and misguided quick look at the markets. Then instead of testing it they just plunge in on size (the less clueless test it naively, e.g. just by backtesting a slew of data). Then once it loses money, they become totally irrational and start trading on the basis of housewives tales or pure emotion, just like a tarot card reader's client or someone who believes in astrology. It's really hilarious to watch.

    To get a good handle on sceptical/empirical thinking, go read some David Hume (Locke and Berkeley have some good insights too, and Aristotle is interesting from a historical perspective), Karl Popper, George Soros & Nassim Taleb etc. The original British empiricists laid the philosophical foundation for the scientific method and the Enlightenment, and if you look at the results of that in the progress of both scientific knowledge and civilised ethics, it is quite clear that it has proven extremely powerful. Sceptical empiricism delivers results and improves our understanding of reality - all other systems produce unclear results at best, and utter nonsense or genocide at worst. The key points of sceptical empiricism are self-doubt - something which appears lacking in almost all other belief systems, and the exact opposite of most spiritual belief systems (e.g. all the main religions); and a continual testing and refining of theories to check they correspond to reality - again, something totally at odds with most belief systems, which view such testing & refining as heresy and blasphemy.

    As for "how to live", my philosophy is similar to that of Oscar Wilde - the way to conquer temptation is to yield to it. I believe that you should follow all non-destructive impulses which give you the most pleasure & satisfaction, and don't compromise your sense of personal ethics (90% of ethics is conditioned bullshit anyway) or lead to harmful excess (e.g. if you have sex 10 times a day, then your dick will hurt, you'll get fired, and your friends will probably stop calling). Basically find what really turns you on in life, and pursue that.

    Pigs eat, sleep, fuck and oink whilst rolling in mud. You don't see a pig getting depressed, unless it's being fattened in some cage to make your next pork chop. Humans eat, sleep, fuck...and enjoy culture, relationships, sport, thinking, talking, and productive work. It's no different. Just learn your version of rolling in the mud - whether that involves watching WWF and drinking bud, or composing symphonies and publishing papers on Kant - and then find a way to do it as often and as enjoyably as you can. If you look at the really great thinkers, they pretty much all came to the conclusion that we know hardly anything, and that 99% of metaphysical and spiritual talk & thinking is just meaningless bullshit. The ancient greek philosophers realised it, the zen masters realised it, so did buddha and confucius. So just go out, experience some life, find out what does it for you, find out your true calling & nature, and then live that. It's the best way to approach happiness in this world.
     
    #48     Jan 20, 2007
  9. There are many existentialists existing in my generation.

    I have no answers as to meaning, randomness, worth, purpose...

    The only thing I can honestly say is that Kant was incredible insofar as he was able to bridge the gap between rationalism and empiricism to allow us the ability to know that certain things are true.
     
    #49     Jan 20, 2007
  10. You mean like eat, drink and be merry? Until when?

    Jesus
     
    #50     Jan 21, 2007