specialist goin to the can

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by OVERtheLINE, Apr 16, 2003.

  1. good, glad to see these crooks getting screwed since they are the ones usually taking advantage of their position whenever they can. there is so much blatant bullshit that goes on with some of these specialists that it is rediculous- they love to go 1x1 in fast markets to disable NX and so that they don't have to provide liquidity, freeze the book, print outside their posted market (sometimes 10-20 cents out) hold cancels and fill you when you dont want it, etc. I for one am glad to see some of these assholes take a fall, maybe it will send a message to some of the other specialists to stop some of their shenanigans and actually do their job- provide a fair and orderly market instead of having the sole objective of profiting as much as possible by taking advantage of their order flow. dont get me wrong, i know that specialists take on a lot of risk and sometimes they get screwed too, but most of the time, they just pull as much crooked shit as they can and the SEC just looks the other way........
     
    #31     Apr 17, 2003
  2. DAMN !!!!!

    Just make this f****** NYSE an ECN just by NOW !!!
     
    #32     Apr 17, 2003
  3. RichSohn

    RichSohn

    obviously...this guy started taking "swipes" at me out of nowhere. check out his earlier posts in this thread. he must be extremely insecure about his own trading. :D

     
    #33     Apr 17, 2003
  4. Tea

    Tea

    Definently time to turn the NYSE into an ECN.
    Here is a partial quote from today's Wall Street Journal.




    NYSE Is Probing Specialists
    For Possible 'Front-Running'

    FleetBoston Financial Subsidiary
    And LaBranche Are Investigated
    By KATE KELLY and SUSANNE CRAIG
    Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


    The New York Stock Exchange, in a probe of possible abuses of a central part of its trading system, is examining whether at least two of the largest floor-trading firms may have engaged in "front-running," or trading ahead of clients, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The world's leading stock exchange in recent months has been seeking information from "specialist" firms about whether their traders may have mishandled customer orders, the people said. Specifically, the NYSE is examining whether the specialist firms, whose floor traders carry out clients' transactions, have offered inferior prices to investors who send orders to buy or sell shares through the exchange's main trading system, the people said.

    The inquiry is focused on at least two of Wall Street's biggest names: FleetBoston Financial Corp.'s Fleet Specialist subsidiary and LaBranche & Co. The NYSE has seven specialist firms.

    The probe already has had an impact on the NYSE's trading floor. On Monday, Fleet Specialist's chief executive, Christopher Quick -- who also is an NYSE director -- suspended David Finnerty, who handles Fleet's trading for General Electric Co. stock. The suspension stemmed from an internal Fleet investigation prompted by the broader NYSE probe. Fleet is examining whether the 37-year-old Mr. Finnerty traded ahead of customer orders in GE, people familiar with the inquiry said. GE, with $276.9 billion in stock outstanding, has the world's biggest stock-market capitalization. It's not clear how much money would have been involved in any alleged front-running, or how many of the specialists' clients might have been affected.

    "This is an internal Fleet matter that we're currently handling," said James Mahoney, a FleetBoston spokesman. An NYSE spokesman, citing Big Board policy, would neither confirm nor deny that any probe was taking place. GE declined to comment.

    Mr. Finnerty didn't return messages left at his New Jersey home, and Mr. Quick declined to comment beyond FleetBoston's statement. Officials at LaBranche had no comment.

    If evidence of wrongdoing emerges, those revelations would be particularly sensitive for the Big Board because such activity could undermine public trust in the auction market, the central way shares are traded on the exchange. The auction market, the exchange's model for the last 211 years, consists of traders gathering at the exchange's Wall Street trading floor to physically barter for shares of stock. Although myriad improvements have been made on the system over the years, including the introduction of a computer that ferries stock orders to and from the floor, the core aspect of the auction model is still the same: Brokers wanting to buy and sell shares of stock gather in front of a trader, or "specialist," who is assigned to keep the trading fair and orderly in a particular stock.

    The Big Board's specialists oversee the trading of some 2,800 stocks. In order to match customers' orders, specialists are required to buy shares for their accounts at times and sell shares from their inventory at other times. While they earn money from commissions for handling orders, specialists also can make -- or lose -- money from the trading of stocks held in their accounts, depending on whether prices are moving higher or lower.

    Front-running is the exchange equivalent of waiting in line at a lunch counter and having a bully cut in front to order. Here's how front-running works in its most basic form: An investor places an order to buy 10,000 shares of a stock. Recognizing that the trade is likely to boost the value of the shares, a broker trades for himself or a partner before completing the client's order. In some cases, a front-runner could buy the shares and then flip them, at a higher price, to the investor he or she is trading ahead of. The result is doubly problematic: It can make the client order more expensive to fill -- taking money out of the customer's pocket -- and it unfairly enriches the broker.

    Word Spreads on Floor

    News of Mr. Finnerty's suspension swirled on the NYSE floor Wednesday afternoon. Late in the Big Board trading session, shares of LaBranche fell more than 6%, one day after the company reported an 80% decrease in first-quarter earnings as poor market conditions continued to weigh on its operations. LaBranche's results underscore the financial squeeze faced these days by specialist firms amid decreased trading activity three years after U.S. stocks touched their all-time highs.

    Mr. Finnerty, who wears a royal-blue cotton jacket -- Fleet's floor colors -- over a white button-down shirt, is known as a confident trader with a quick smile. Despite the fast pace of specialists -- they constantly are reading numbers from a screen and dealing with brokers buying and selling stock -- Mr. Finnerty often finds times for jokes, floor traders say.

    On a recent morning at the exchange, he took time out to explain the specialist system to visiting journalists. He told a reporter that he knew Jeffrey Immelt and Jack Welch, GE's current and former chief executives, respectively, and that they'd sometimes call him up when they came to town. He kept a batch of recent articles on GE in the wooden cabinet behind his desk on the floor.

    Ticklish Time

    The probe comes at a ticklish time for the exchange, which is under fire for possible corporate-governance shortcomings. The Big Board last month pulled the nomination of Citigroup Inc. Chief Executive Sanford I. Weill to represent the public as an exchange director. The move came after New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer argued that Citigroup's government settlement over alleged stock-research abuses should disqualify Mr. Weill.

    Oakford Scandal

    This isn't the first time floor-trading activity has come under scrutiny. In February 1998, eight floor brokers were criminally charged with participating in a scheme to pick stocks to trade for quick profits on the exchange floor, then split those profits with Oakford Corp., a now-defunct floor-trading firm. Two other brokers who cooperated in the investigation were also charged. Two Oakford executives were sentenced to prison terms of as long as 20 months, and several other floor brokers were ordered to serve prison terms ranging from one week to four months.

    Front-running has been a particularly nettlesome problem since U.S. stocks began trading in one-cent increments early in 2001, people familiar with the investigation said. They said the Big Board is probing whether its specialist firms, whose traders specialize in individual stocks, may have abused the decimalized-trading environment at their customers' expense.
     
    #34     Apr 17, 2003

  5. i have been seeing this a lot lately in multiple issues. not to mention other less than ethical techniques. i can only think of one specialist in my 5+ years of trading the nyse that i felt was honest enough to throw market orders at.


    here's another version of the previous article:

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/17/news/nyse_trading.reut/index.htm
     
    #35     Apr 17, 2003
  6. These types of abuses of public trust and money will only expediate the process of kicking these pricks out of the building, shutting it down and making it totally electronic. Way to go specialists, we know you steal from people daily, and now it will be out there for the general public to hear about.

    I hope somone gave the police a heads up on checking out that WMT prick. He should be next in line for handcuffs the way he has started to print and not honor his market the past few months.
     
    #36     Apr 17, 2003
  7. Tea

    Tea

    Now is the time to write a letter to the NYSE and copy the SEC and your Congressman.

    Strike while the iron is hot.
     
    #37     Apr 17, 2003
  8. I hope the NYSE never becomes like an ECN. The stock moves will become super erratic like the Nascrap! Just hope the SEC makes sure that the Specialists perform their jobs correctly!
     
    #38     Apr 17, 2003
  9. royce09

    royce09

    <b>"AMEN"</b>

    I absolutely love this development. I too have be ripped by the specialist(s) for years. But the fact that these guys actions have finally caught the attention of those with power, tells me that they are getting desperate to make that money they used to make when the market traded in tiny's.

    Again, Wonderful, <b>bust these no-talent criminals</b>, and make the NYSE fully electronic.

    In reality, we are probably still 2+ yrs away from the NYSE going fully electronic, but surely situations like this will hasten the process. :D
     
    #39     Apr 17, 2003
  10. agreed 100%
    make no mistake... NMM marketmakers probably front run the shit out of their orders only they dont have a exchange looking over their shoulders.
     
    #40     Apr 17, 2003