Spain, Poland, Italy involvment in iraq

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Benett, Mar 15, 2004.

  1. You don't believe it is <font color=red>divine</font> intervention ?

    http://www.christianews.net/usa.htm

    in "The Faith of George W. Bush" a unique publishing co-venture between Charisma House and Penguin Group (USA) Inc., the world's largest publishing empire.


    *Before Bush announced his candidacy, he invited Texas-based evangelist James Robison to meet with him. Bush told Robison that he had given his life to Christ and that he felt God wanted him to be president.

    He also confided in Robison that <font color=red>he felt "something was going to happen" and that the country would need his leadership in a time of crisis</font>. The 9/11 tragedy struck just nine months after Bush's inauguration.

     
    #41     Mar 16, 2004
  2. gms

    gms

    No, I meant the thousands more that would've died had WWII continued, just as I plainly wrote it to have meant that.
     
    #42     Mar 16, 2004
  3. Good post, Harry!

    They say you are clinically "insane" if you believe that you are Jesus Christ, or if you say you are the Devil.

    That would also apply to one who believes that he is chasing "Evil" (aka the Devil or Satan) to destroy it off the planet as Bush is "seeking Evil" to rid the globe of it.

    There is an extreme difference between the "evil" Hitler posed, and the dangers posed by decentralized terrorism.

    "Spain may have become a new symbol of the clash between the jihadis' version of Islam and the "Jews and Crusaders". But as far as global jihad is concerned, it doesn't matter whether a European democracy like Spain is governed by conservatives or socialists. Al-Qaeda is an apocalyptic sect betting on the clash of civilizations: Islamic jihadis against "Jews and Crusaders". It is the same with the Bush administration spinning a "war on terror": James Woolsey, a former Central Intelligence Agency head, believes this is the Fourth World War and conservative guru Samuel Huntington bets on, what else, a "clash of civilizations". " (link: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC17Aa04.html)

    It appears that terrorism may be shaping up to be merely a concept that WW4 is entering the world by - an idea whose, for many, time is come.

    The strength behind terrorism may be in the ones who are simply sympathetic to its cause as opposed to those who more directly participate.

    What if terrorism becomes (or actually is) a belief, or worse yet, a religion. Is not this globe founded on beliefs? Wherefore is it more wrong for the Jews to kill the "Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind" than it is for terrorists to kill others for their own beliefs? (Ref. The Holy Bible).

    I propose that there is more "evil" that gets spewed onto and downloaded off of the Internet in the form of pornography each hour round the clock that destroys people, than there is the kind of "Evil" that Bush seeks to obolish since his election.

    Yet, compared to the money and lives he is spending in his holy quest to stamp out "Satan" from under the sun, he is doing nothing to stop the spread of "wickedness" on the Internet.

    Sam
     
    #43     Mar 16, 2004
  4. Again, your entire theory is based on presumption.

    If everyone based their actions on preemptive strikes to "wipe out Evil" half the globe would be anniliated overnight.

    Bad.

    Sam
     
    #44     Mar 16, 2004
  5. I guess you are unlucky you weren't able to be drafted for service in Vietnam, then - or perhaps Korea ? You probably would have enjoyed yourself winning or perhaps striking out over there.

    But what do I know; you probably have the silver star, or something, the way you are speaking. Perhaps you've already have some trophy-ears from some Marxists framed in ? (ironic) Or do you just really like watching Discovery, History Channel, John Wayne films etc. ?
    ;-)
     
    #45     Mar 16, 2004
  6. And how do you classify the recent developement of MOAB ? What is the prupose of the developement of such a bomb ? Deterrent - not for use ? "Nice to have" ?
    What about the me-too's ?
     
    #46     Mar 16, 2004
  7. As opposed to Bush's agenda as I may come across at times on this board I must say that, I totally favor his concept of aggressively seeking out rogue nations to impliment strict governing/intervention of their development and possible use of weapons of mass destruction, in order to prevent any loss of life at the hands of terrorists.

    Bush is right on in this regard. In addition, even beliefs and religions that condone murder or killing need to be overruled globally to prevent such occurence. That is, "you're free to worship what and how you choose to, as long as it excludes harming others."

    I'll back any president who has such a policy.

    I just think that weapons inspectors should be allowed to do their job, with the ongoing negative results (loss of innocent life) of the Iraq occupation used as example of perhaps following a more diplomatic course in the future with other nations.

    The USA may want to take measures to make sure they are not perceived as power hungry to rule world affairs. It's a fine line at best.

    gsr
     
    #47     Mar 17, 2004
  8. TraderC

    TraderC

    #48     Mar 17, 2004
  9. Cheese

    Cheese

    Spaniards, weak as sh*t.

    Forget the U.S. on this one, it will take years for Spain to be taken seriously again in international politics after caving in to terrorism like this .. same message to ETA: an invitation to bomb the sh*t out of the rest of Spain.

    Fu*ked-up-to-hell socialists .. what can you expect?
     
    #49     Mar 17, 2004
  10. Armed conflict does not make for great friendships, and at best makes for an agonzingly ambivalent impression on bystanders.

    Nice timing on that last note - today several polls were cited in the US media. They showed that world scepticism towards the US has increased in european and arab countries after the invasion of Iraq. The perception is that there were alternate motifs for invading Iraq, and that the US is trying to bully it's way into controlling the world.

    Well, no wonder; some commodities traders make nice statements as: "maybe Venezuela and Saudi-Arabia could start competing on oil prices" and "oil from Libiya and Iraq hasn't come trough like expected and promised yet" as explanations for continued high crude oil prices today (on Bloomberg late in the session).
    With Halliburton's ties to the US administration and a oil-dynasty - almost theocratic - leadership, what is the world to assume ? Some jobs should require proven leadership, like in the business world.

    Is there a major genetic difference between you and the common spaniard ?

    So the promise of the candidate for prime minister running up to the election - of withdrawing troops from Iraq - is best broken in your view ? That's what you are looking for in democratic leaders ? Or do you hail more from the dictatorship-burdened part of the world ?
    ;-)

    Socialist parties in europe are more akin to the democratic party in the US, albeit the more latin-cultured countries have a bit more diversification on the leftist side. That's how democracy works, in contrast to the US "McCarthy Era". Although the brilliantly democratic election process there helps people narrow down the number of electable candidates, and the campaign budgets and fund raising/contributions effectively limits who one wouldn't like to see in the nomination process. Great fund raising abilities is one of the really admired traits a political acolyte can show.

    ETA - like the IRA nowadays - probably have gotten the message now - loud and clear - about further bombings. Perhaps, some die-hard factions might try something (like "the Real IRA" faction did in Omagh), but they would certainly be hounded for even trying to express the slightest intention of bombing parts of Spain just now.
     
    #50     Mar 17, 2004