I resurrected my mind long before the body. Resurrection of the body is a demonstration of a healed mind. The world itself is a kind of dark tomb in which those who walk about consider themselves "alive". I did not see it that way. I saw it as a death trap, and did something about it. The process of resurrecting your mind depends upon a realization/acceptance that a body is not needed...that it is insignificant. That is the meaning of the breaking bread episode at the last supper. Who cares if the body is broken?!! I certainly didn't. Value the body and you devalue the mind that forms it. Seek to empower it, and you disempower the mind that makes it. The body is actually a "new" level of mind that was not given us by our Father. It was made out of the mind that our Father gave us. Only that mind is like the Father. The body is literally an "image". It seems 3D and real, but it is still an image within the mind of Christ. The body is used for experiences that can only be experienced in a state of denial, ignorance, guilt, fantasy, self-deception, and confusion. Resurrection is about healing the mind that uses a body for such experiences. We are literally created in God's likeness. That likeness has nothing whatsoever to do with limits, and therefore nothing to do with bodies. "Flesh" and "bone" is mind. Flesh and bone is the symbol of a mind of parts, a mind of aparteid, a mind that believes in separation, and a mind that believes it is guilty for stealing it's likeness from the mind of God. I did demonstrate various levels of tangibility to those among my peers who were interested in what became of me. This was to complete the demonstration sequence that showed the truth of what I taught. As you recall from accounts, that body appeared and disappeared at will. It walked through walls, but it also ate food. If you will resurrect your mind, this is the kind of body you will walk with along the path leading back to heaven. Such a body is jettisoned upon your choice to return. You simply do not understand what the body represents and symbolizes. You simply do not accept yet that our Father has nothing whatsoever to do with them. That said, we are free as always, whether in heaven or on earth. I can appear to you in a body, anytime, anywhere. But it would be for you, not me. I am not interested in limits. But while you are, you seem to demand a bodily appearance to speak to you...type to you. This is the only channel you have open to hear anything at all. Even this channel is heavily jammed. Let him who has ears hear. But you are literally willing to ignore physical signs. There is a reason I do not appear in a body since my ascension demonstration. It is for your progress that I do not. Any bodily appearance would tend to defeat the message I sent so clearly so long ago. The body is all about the ego. I overcame the world, which is the ego's domain. You will misinterpret any kind of bodily return to such world. Get it? Jesus
Don't apologize. I only noticed it and underlined it to help. Fair enough Cache. But I think it was always clear, comparing notes is not what I was doing. Of course not, I have already said as much to rcanfiel before you mentioned it here. I just do not think it is all that good or healthy generally to be using a ridiculous pretence in the form of a fairy tale as proxy for right or truth. Look what it did for the baby Jesus (turned the 'Iam' one into a total hippy)
True enough. There is a lot of meaningless scripture who's symbols are hardly worth the time to interpret. To look for inherent meaning where there is none is to look outside your Self for the Source of all meaning. To look outside your Self is to deny what you are. The time for denial has ended. The time for acceptance is now. Trust your Self. Seek only that which is truly helpful, and ask for the interpretation that would be given you now. Both Christ and the "devil" are in your mind. So you have a choice. They are not separate from you. That's why you have a choice. Everything that is experienced is experienced through your mind. You may choose what, within the mind, will be the ruler of all you experience. The world seems real and concrete to you, but even this is within your mind. The world was made real by the mind, so the mind could choose to experience that which it chose to experience while also denying its ability to be the one that chooses. In this way it seems to make something outside itself as it's "lord". This is an ability that you must reclaim, because this is an ability that has never been lost. To deny that choice is yours is to be lost by your own choice. To accept choice as freedom is to reclaim the way to be found. Accepting choice is accepting the way of salvation. Accepting choice is accepting how all experience is made. In accepting choice, you are accepting that you are experiences maker, and in doing this, can all previous choice be undone. In this way, you are the "Lord". Jesus
Your original statement: All people were pure but had no body. I demonstrated from scripture that Adam and Eve had bodies Your next statement: I wasn't claiming that Adam and Eve didn't have bodies. I was referring to all the other sons and daughters of God. God created the physical bodies of Adam and Eve, but the rest were created through the woman. I demonstrated from scripture that the children of Adam and Eve had bodies Your next statement: C'mon, you're just trying to be argumentative. I don't understand why you are so riled up. I attempted to explain what I meant by a certain statement, and you are clinging to what you think I meant by a statement. If I'm not allowed to clarify my own statements then this discussion is pointless. Now if you were an objective third party here, do you think your 3 statements wouldnât raise a lot of questions? I am not riled up. I am continuously pointing out to you that Mormonism and the Book of Mormon conflict with scripture. Your idea of clarify is to look
Genesis does not tell the story of creation. It is a statement of faith. And faith makes this world. A world of faith is not a world at all. By faith, the idea of Adam and Eve is conceived. It is the symbol of mind that is splitting itself into differences. Such is the beginning of this world. There is only a "beginning" in time. But our Father did not create time. Our Father created the Son. That is is Creation. And it is One. I have called it "Christ". It is eternal, without beginning, and without end. What has a beginning is an illusion. The world is about beginnings and endings. The world is the shredding of oneness by faith. This is because separation is not real...so it must be believed. Believing it, the world takes shape as an "image" in the mind. The world is the image of the Son of God, upside down, backwards, opposite himself. Thus, it is anti-Creation, and therefore anti-Christ. To believe in the world is to support what is anti-Christ. To believe in Christ is to use belief to return to truth, rather than using it to build illusions. To believe in "me" is to believe in Christ. It has nothing to do with whether you believe there was a character "Jesus" walked the earth. I can only help you if you believe what I taught. What I taught is not wholly preserved in the bible. In fact it is compromised by it. So the bible cannot save because it is the mind that is in need of salvation. Can a book that reflects the insanity that makes this world heal same insanity? So you must think outside the "box". "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" is anti-Christ because it supports the reality of the world. It is a statement of faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for. Christ "hoped" the world would bring him something more than the everything his Father gave him in his creation. Something more than everything real cannot be real. So "something more" must be an idol. The world is the "idol" that stands as a desecration of the "temple" that our Father gave to us. The temple is our mind. The world is an attempt to destroy that mind. But you cannot kill or destroy the indestructible. That is the symbol of my death and resurrection. They are symbols...signs. Read them. Jesus
From the Westminster Confession of Faith (a clarifying synopsis created in Scotland several centuries ago representing a Calvinistic position on scriptures, along with scriptural references): After God had made all other creatures, He created man, male and female... GEN 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. with reasonable and immortal souls... GEN 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ECC 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. LUK 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. MAT 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. endued with knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness, after His own image GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. COL 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him. EPH 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. having the law of God written in their hearts ROM 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. and power to fulfil it ECC 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. and yet under a possibility of transgressing, being left to the liberty of their own will, which was subject unto change GEN 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. ECC 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. There are no quirky stories. you cannot grasp the concept because you do not grasp infinite, eternal matters. It is like trying to explain a cube to a 2-dimensional being. You can no more grasp the full meaning of this than you could give an intelligible explanation of the nature of dark matter, dark energy, and the currently believed 11-dimensional space (if these are even correct). And spiritual concepts are well beyond such basic cosmologies. A man has a body and a man has a soul/spirit. One passsage is dealing with the spiritual aspect of people and the other is dealing with the physical aspect of people. I do not see why this is hard.
rcan: >...you cannot grasp the concept because you >do not grasp infinite, eternal matters. Stu, you stupid a** moron. Get with the program. JB
"Spiritually", in this case means by faith. So man is about as spiritual as a puff of smoke. But faith in the mind of the Son of God is not without power. It can make mountains and unmake them, instantly. Just ask ratboy. Genesis makes the Son of God look bad because it takes so long to build the world. Six days? C'mon! Only the "devil" would take so long to build something so shabby. Then it wears him out so he has to "retire". Talk about milking it for all it's worth! The Son of God is able to make this world in a single instant with no more significance than a green flash at sunset. If you weren't looking for it, you wouldn't see it. Genesis gets goofy because the world is a goofy idea. Taken seriously for a split second, then laughed off as an absurd, tiny, mad idea. In a single instant, the world of time and all it holds was made simultaneously. That is the power of faith in the mind of the Son of God. Sequence of any sort is an illusion. So Genesis is about building the illusion of time within the mind of the "faithful". It works so well, that no one who believes Genesis believes he is the Son of God. In fact, you can read the entire bible and not "get" that you are the Son who makes this world. Thus, Genesis is a faith-based accoutrement used for maintaining a world built on faith. It demands your allegiance. It compels you to bow down to an idol. A book rises to support the idol and give it praise. The book itself is idolized, given lips, and told to speak. It's oracles are all in support of worldly ideals...death, attack, conflict, separation, sacrifice and laws not of God. The book stumbles upon the truth occasionally...just enough to really confuse the mind. And why not? It is written by confused minds which contain both truth and illusions within them. Let it be known that the Spirit of truth is available to anyone with a mind and a pen. I did not give to the apostles anything they did not already have. I "gave" them awareness of it by way of reminder. Let me remind you that Truth is made welcome in the mind by invitation and welcome. Welcome it by gratefulness. Truth does not recognize any hierarchy . Truth is not passed on from one hand to another. Truth is remembered. As such, I am just a reminder. Forgetfulness can never change your status as the Son of God. Let us not marvel then, that the bible contains both truth and illusion. It is written by the Son of God in his various states of delusion, sometimes breaking through to clarity of thought. Any truth within it is inspired by the Holy Spirit. All else is of the ego, that thinking mechanism that makes this world and embeds it's faith-based patterns in the minds of all men, its robotic toys. Jesus