rcan, Your posts take entirely too long to respond to. If you'd be willing to discuss with me one point at a time, I will be happy to respond. If you insist on posts that will take me that long to respond to, I simply don't have the time. I'm not interested in an argument.
Stu: >What you describe right there would make God >irrelevant, not the arguments for or against It. (Stu, something tells me that your above statement is gonna go whoosh) As you would know Stu, rcanfiel is one of millions and millions who believe that "opinion" isn't applied to the scripture -- it's just there, it's perfect, and it says what it says. Of course the millions who believe that come up with just about as many versions of "what's there, what's perfect and what it says" -- and of course they all can't be right. Oh, but rcanfiel? ... he does not 'interpret', has no 'version' and IS right. Got it? JB
Quote from Cache Landing: 2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adamâs transgression. That depends on how you look at it. Adam&Eve brought death onto the human race. It is called Original Sin. Before this, all people were pure before God. All people were pure but had no body. I don't see getting a body as being a punishment. We have a just God, he doesn't punish me for someone else's sins. -------------------------- Since you want these one at a time... Cache, scripture is a package deal, the will of God. You cannot tweeze out things that support a position you favor. It all applies in every situation. And you keep mixing in Mormon doctrine, which dissonates with scripture in many ways. Genesis and scripture never say that man was created without a body. That is a mormon belief that contradicts: MAN EATS AND PROCREATES: Gen 1:28-30 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the groundâeverything that has the breath of life in itâI give every green plant for food." And it was so. MAN EATS, WORKS PHYSICALLY, HAS PHYSICAL FORM MADE FROM EARTH, HAS NOSTRILS, AND IS IN A SINGLE PHYSICAL LOCATION Gen 2: 5-8 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. Gen 2:15-17 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." THE MAN HAS BONES & FLESH, AND SLEEPS Gen 2:21-23 the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man." AND ALL THIS TIME, THEY ARE STILL PURE, FOR THEY HAD NOT YET FALLEN. NOTHING IN ANY WAY HINTS, SUGGESTS OR CLAIMS MAN HAS NO BODY AT THIS POINT. LATER THEY HAVE CHILDREN. AND THERE IS NOTHING IN GENESIS THAT AFTER THEY FALL, THAT THEY THEN GET BODIES.
yep JB, it went woosh ok. It has to otherwise the noise of religious crutches breaking might be deafening. I simply notice though how just one 'God given' thing called rationality, paradoxically, is enough to transform blind beliefs into pantomime.
So how come you tweeze? Worse still. You tweeze out of an interpretation of Geneses to support a position you favor, when actually... Gen 1 :28-30 has man created in God's image on the 5th day Gen 2 : 5-8 & Gen 2:21-23 (rather contradictorily) has man formed from dust by God after the 7th day Then it applies to you also. Man in God's image Genesis 1 , is not the same as the man from dust in Genesis 2. Unless you concede God's image is made from dust, man in God's image is not man formed. Not only are they of different constitutions, they come at distinctly different times during the tale. In my opinion Cache has most certainly made the case for his fairy tale - where he states.. "All people were pure but had no body.", (made in God's image) , by the very words and descriptions in your fairy tale.