Sorry, another Covid thread :-)

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by BKR88, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. I just ordered 82 boxes of fruit-colored Cheerios from Amazon. I shall live for the bright green colored poop from now on. It's now my life's mission. :)
     
    #111     Jun 19, 2022
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  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    Dude, you are going to have a rocking good time fooling your friends into thinking you're an alien or something.
     
    #112     Jun 19, 2022
  3. If I eat that much cereal in a week I will turn into an Alien for sure.
     
    #113     Jun 19, 2022
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    Two bowls in the morning, and a bowl at night. Green is good!
     
    #114     Jun 19, 2022
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  5. Three bowls a day keeps the doctor away.
     
    #115     Jun 19, 2022
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    #116     Jun 19, 2022
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  7. BKR88

    BKR88

    Can you show me the long-term studies of the vaccines?
    If not, they're still experimental.
    Did you read the most recent articles I posted?
    They're slowly finding out some of the affects which will continue for years yet because they're still "experimental".
     
    #117     Jun 20, 2022
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    First of all, I don't think you're aware of the many different types of Covid vaccines out there on the market. Thus, it's appropriate when discussing "vaccines"...you should mention the name of the specific vaccine you have a problem with.

    There has NEVER been a vaccine in the history of vaccination that had "long-term studies" PRIOR to its first use on the human population. Yet, if you meant to say "vaccine trials"...typically there have been what is now known as Phase I, II, III, and IV for all known vaccines for any type of disease.

    A process that can take about 6 years in total.
    • In addition, the mRNA vaccines were being tested since the 1970s. We just didn't have a disease for it.
    This then leads to the first conspiracy theory about China in that they created the Coronavirus Covid disease for the current research of mRNA that had been occurring between the 1970s - 2019.

    The exception may be the smallpox vaccine because it was a different type of vaccine being studied on the human population for many years as Cowpox prior to its name being changed to the smallpox vaccine. Cowpox to Smallpox

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    By the way, clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and the vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety.

    Many vaccines undergo Phase IV formal, ongoing studies after the vaccine is approved and licensed.

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    Other countries have their own testing standards outside of North America that are completely different. Yet, Trump's Operation Warp Speed speeded up that process by many years...simply by making the Covid vaccine the #1 priority and putting all other vaccines for other diseases to the back of the line or shelving them because it was a declared a Covid Pandemic by the WHO.

    That declaration allowed the shelving of other known vaccine research for other diseases for the concentration on a Covid vaccine.
    • Analogy: Pretend the President walks into a restaurant to order food. The restaurant owner tells the staff to make the President's food first and put all other orders on standby...the President's order is being given special treatment, special care for a very special situation.
    Next, they merged two of the phases together to occur at the same time instead of the typical 1 - 2 years between the two. The key development issue...unlike any other prior vaccine for any disease (e.g. polio, smallpox)...all key labs on the entire planet were involved in developing the mRNA vaccines, researching its effectiveness and safety, and doing their own trials in comparison to another country.

    Further, the laboratories and the materials that were needed...there were already in operation whereas typically it takes a few years to get approval to build a new laboratory for research on a new type of vaccine...lots of red tape with country/city zone approval.
    • The mRNA vaccines were being tested since the 1970s. We just didn't have a disease for it but we have the researchers, laboratories, and material already in place when the Covid Pandemic arrived...that alone shaved off about 2 - 3 years in the making of the Covid mRNA vaccines when Trump formed Operation Warp Speed.
    The question now...can the efficacy, effectiveness, and safety of a Covid Vaccine be determined when there's no disease as before 2019 ?
    • The answer is YES but that's a different discussion.
    More important, whatever was discovered by Trump's Operation Warp Speed...the mRNA vaccines were trialed, peer-reviewed, and verified very quickly by many other laboratories that were working/in competition on the same vaccine mechanism of the mRNA vaccine.

    Yet, since the mRNA vaccine...there have been developed other different types of Covid vaccines (e.g. vector) that are approved in some countries while not approved in other countries. To give you an example, there are about 4 types of vaccines not approved in Canada in the first few months after the mRNA vaccine was approved.

    Today, 1 1/2 years later, there are about 6 vaccines approved and maybe like +20 vaccines not approved, and maybe a dozen or more vaccines being analyzed for a decision if they will be approved or not approved.

    In fact, there was a point in the Pandemic when only vaccinated people were allowed to cross the border into another country. Unfortunately, if you were fully vaccinated with one of those Covid vaccines not approved...you were considered "not vaccinated" and not allowed entry into the country.

    Simply, a way to look at this...the mRNA vaccines have had the most universal research in testing their efficacy, effectiveness, and safety in comparison to any other type of Covid vaccine and then any other type of vaccine in the history of mankind.

    Ironically, there are medical therapeutic treatments for Covid that never existed prior to Covid that people are willingly / eagerly to put in their bodies if they were to develop a severe Covid infection...instead of using a universal well tested Covid mRNA vaccine to prevent (minimize) a severe infection (hospitalization or death) from the disease in the first place.
    • No vaccines are 100%.
    Thus, some people will still get infected, will still be hospitalized or death depending upon other co-morbidity variables.

    The only issue that I have with the Covid vaccination process is that a Covid vaccine can be very dangerous to someone that gets the jab without the person being tested first for Covid.

    Simply, too many people in the world have been vaccinated when they would have been disqualified for vaccination because they had a current Covid infection.

    I do in fact know someone that had a severe reaction to her Covid vaccination that resulted in hospitalization the very next day. Yet, the day prior to her vaccination, three members of her family (her household) had tested positive for Covid.

    I asked her did she get tested for Covid prior to getting vaccinated...she said NO because she didn't feel sick. :mad: :banghead:

    wrbtrader
     
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    #118     Jun 20, 2022
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  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    Ha ha, You're pushing Ivermectin and calling the mRNA vaccines "experimental"!

    The facts are these: The mRNA vaccines have satisfied all of the rigorous, U.S. clinical test requirements to prove safety and efficacy to be fully approved by the FDA for Routine use. They are no longer, by law, officially experimental. You should consider them however you like. One of the freedoms you do enjoy is the freedom be an ignoramus, which you are exceedingly good at. So were I you, I would cherish that freedom.

    Also see wrbtrader's post immediately above. which contains this statement:
    "mRNA vaccines have had the most universal research in testing their efficacy, effectiveness, and safety in comparison to any other type of Covid vaccine and then any other type of vaccine in the history of mankind.
     
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    #119     Jun 20, 2022
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  10. BKR88

    BKR88