Son of If You Can Draw a Straight Line . . .

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  1. Not sure if you are complementing my chart or insulting it! LOL

    Either way I do like the poem!


    It is as vague and confusing as the PA after bar 8 to 9 :D
     
    #871     Oct 21, 2013
  2. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You're overthinking it. The bars are merely an aid to help you stay focused, to help you avoid getting lost. But in and of themselves they aren't important. If you can't tell who's in charge without them, they won't tell you.

    First you have to be able to tell whether price is going up or down. If it's going up, then you can apply a demand line to the stride in order to help you determine when it is slowing or modifying its direction. But you can do that -- or ought to be able to do that -- without applying a line at all. If you try to apply these lines as a system, it won't work. What is far more important is an observation phase during which you just watch price without any thought of where to enter or exit or what "setup" you might develop that will provide you with an entree into trading. If you spend insufficient time at this or skip it entirely, you'll never get it. Several people who post here did just that and they are no farther along now than they were when they started. Eventually they'll just give up and move on to something else, but there's nothing I can do about that.

    In the example you provide, you don't have to wait until 1, much less 3, to see that price is rising. If you do, then you and price are complete strangers, and you need to get to know each other. Nor do you need lines to see that the stride is broken at 4, nor that price fails to make a equivalent high, much less a higher high, at 6. As for who's in charge thereafter, there are periods when buyers are in charge, such as from 7 to 8, and others when sellers are in charge, such as 8 to 9. The task is not to draw lines but to determine whether demand is strong enough to prompt an exit from a short. If it isn't, stay with the short. If it is, get out of it and wait for another opportunity, whether short or long.

    If you're trading and you're not doing well, you need to stop. You need to learn how to trade before you trade, not during. This may take a while depending on how many bad habits you've picked up.

    Incidentally, the Cinemascope charts aren't going to be of much help and will more likely be a hindrance. Squashing price to the point where swings and retracements become more difficult to see is self-defeating. The width of the chart should not be more than 1.5 times the height.
     
    #872     Oct 22, 2013
  3. Redneck

    Redneck


    All of a sudden you such a great trader that you can afford to make fun of another

    Interesting

    Mkt will take that ego of yours – and shove it up yer ass – in short order

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    TWUC

    Keep on truckin Sir

    Focus on pressure & control – who has it / who doesn’t / where is it starting wane / change

    RN
     
    #873     Oct 22, 2013
  4. Gringo

    Gringo

    RN,

    This was more for fun than insulting someone. It did take some creativity though, and what better place to display creativity than amongst friends. Then again it cannot be denied there was a bit of less than sweetness to it. Perhaps the trading gods have been too kind.

    Gringo

    Edit: I do envy your figuring out TWUC before I did, as it certainly would have helped with the flow of the words.

    Edit 2: If the market was the great humbler, wouldn't all traders be saints?
     
    #874     Oct 22, 2013
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    When one is struggling…, one persons “fun” – is the struggling person’s agony – in all aspects of life

    2.) Being humble has little to do with being saintly… rather respect


    Back to the task at hand - learning to read and trade this shit

    RN
     
    #875     Oct 22, 2013
  6. niko

    niko

    #876     Oct 22, 2013
  7. niko

    niko

    Not an easy morning. Unless you are sitting in your hands, as I guess one should.
     
    #877     Oct 22, 2013
  8. r3algood

    r3algood

    Trading the ES today, supply and demand lines (all demand so far today) have really made a difference.

    Normally I would be tempted to short the moves up, calling each pause as 'the top', but following my demand lines I know that the only direction is up until price wants to go down and makes indications that it wants to by breaking demand lines.
     
    #878     Oct 22, 2013
  9. r3algood

    r3algood

    Drawing my demand lines and letting price decide.

    Dotted line is one I had to erase and redraw, red line is 50% for that little leg up.

    (Is this chart too big?)

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    #879     Oct 22, 2013
  10. Hooti

    Hooti

    Niko, lost the chat connection and it doesn't want to reconnect. Will try again later.
     
    #880     Oct 22, 2013
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