Son of If You Can Draw a Straight Line . . .

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  1. game

    game

    Not sure if you are using my question to address the fears of others or if I perhaps overstated not understanding what I am doing. My understanding is improving and I have a strong theoretical framework established.

    Uncertainty arises when I am not able to fit missed opps and errors into the framework of auction markets - basically the plan. But upon review, it often turns out that my uncertainty arose because I was slow in interpreting unfolding PA information against context, or because of of omitting a context element that I had observed during prep. I think this is an issue of execution, where practice will make me faster and better. I am not frustrated and I just wanted you to know that.

    Your trade at 0556 - where do I see it? Or are you asking me to guess where you would have entered?
     
    #61     Sep 23, 2013
  2. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    My comments about fear applied to everybody, not just you. But "uncertainty" is just another way of saying "fear". I suggest that next time it comes up that you ask yourself why you don't just take it. Just take it. What's the worst that could happen? You'd lose a couple of ticks? I lost eight ticks on a trade today. Big deal. That was followed by a trade worth 46 ticks.

    As to context, if this continues to elude you, try reversing it. Don't even bother with context other than in the most general way, and perhaps not even that. Watch price, and when buyers and sellers start to settle down, or appear to be doing so, ask yourself why? Why there? What is it about that level? Then look to your left and see if you can find a reasonable rationale for that leveling or that hesitation or that little half-assed thrust. Much of this you won't see in prep because it hasn't even happened yet, such as today's drop down to 12 and that hinge that was formed on the way down.

    As to the trade at 0556, don't guess. If you don't know why I took it or where, then just move on.
     
    #62     Sep 23, 2013
  3. game

    game

    Steep fall to S from Sunday at 3216. Entry on ret in anticipation of breaking through S and perhaps getting a good position for the fall through the air pocket ( which did occur much later).

    Short entered above potential S. But since PA did not confirm S, the LOLR was followed and the short above potential S was ok until PA said otherwise.
     
    #63     Sep 23, 2013
  4. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Are you looking at 0556 NYT?
     
    #64     Sep 23, 2013
  5. game

    game

    No I was adding 1 hr to EST and looking at 0656 CST :> instead of 0456 CST

    At 0556 EST, price was launching off the mp level of the upwave from 3220 to 3230. The launch off mp was supported by the formation of two HL's and the buy stop was placed above the SH of 3225.75 - so perhaps at 3226. Long term LOLR was up and this was a low price risk entry in the direction of immediate LOLR to position oneself in alignment with the long term trend.
     
    #65     Sep 23, 2013
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    First, that's not a midpoint. I've made a couple of posts on that this morning and you should look them over.

    Second, at this point the long-term LOLR isn't really relevant. The LOLR can change a dozen times or more during the day, which is what keeps you in synch with price. If price makes a double bottom at S, the LOLR is up. If it chokes at the second bottom and can't gain strength, the LOLR is down. Don't get too caught up in the LOLR. Just follow price's lead.

    Third, I did enter at 3225.75, but it had nothing to do with the long-term trend. It had to do with the strength buyers were showing in keeping price away from the air pocket. This lasted for only a half-hour and I made only a tick.

    Fourth, I wouldn't call it a "launch" at that hour. More a begrudging crawl.
     
    #66     Sep 23, 2013
  7. game

    game

    Would you say that there is an ideal middle ground somewhere between stop and reverse trading aka surfing, and trading only when price is at easily identifiable extreme?

    I find that the 'uncertainty' I experience is not about determining the immediate LOLR. It is more about whether I am choosing the best spots to trade - and this is where the thinking occurs, as I try to reflect on price's position with reference to context. Perhaps I am getting too rigid with this idea of trading extremes and thus losing the dynamism required of trading price.

    So just reaching out for some wisdom on how to follow the LOLR while still cultivating the patience to wait for the best jewels.
     
    #67     Sep 23, 2013
  8. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    After my 0556 trade was nullified, what would you have done next?
     
    #68     Sep 23, 2013
  9. game

    game

    Price had failed to climb back to the R at 3230. Would have waited for price to cross 3224 before declaring the LOLR to be down. Placed sell stop at 0704 EST in anticipation of going to 3220 and 3216.
     
    #69     Sep 23, 2013
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    You're thinking too much. Just follow price and don't look ahead. You don't know what's ahead, so there's no point in looking there.

    Price rose from 20 to 30. It then fell to 25, halfway, and held there. That made the LOLR up. I entered at 25.75. Price then made it to the halfway point between 25 and 30, i.e., 27, and failed there. That made the LOLR down. There was no need to wait for anything else. If the LOLR had remained up, price would have risen. So after the demand line was broken, I went short at the first retracement thereafter, at 0640. Why wait?
     
    #70     Sep 23, 2013
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