Son of If You Can Draw a Straight Line . . .

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  1. niko

    niko

    Interesting, great to see you again 40, missed your entries :). I am going to stick to friday until told otherwise. :D .
     
    #641     Oct 17, 2013
  2. llIHeroic

    llIHeroic

    Well, to give an honest answer, I oscillate between being too quick on the draw and succumbing to analysis paralysis when I am trying to look for theoretical entries.

    If I place myself in this situation, I would feel some pressure to do something like place a buy stop above 3196 to catch the opening surge if it goes in that direction.

    However, if I were trading, at this stage I would probably keep watching, expecting a relatively powerful up-move to begin as the opening transactions flood in, and look to enter long on the next retracement from there.

    Since it looks like there is some pretty dedicated buying pressure here, I would be more liberal with my retracement entry, expecting the possibility that the first RET might only be a short-duration 10-20% pullback before the movement continues.
     
    #642     Oct 17, 2013
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Placing a buystop above 3196 at the open is a non-starter as it would not be filled, or at least it would not be filled unless price revisits that level to the downside, which is not what you want.

    In the series of posts I made Friday, the next was "0936: Price has exceeded the last swing high. What does one do now?" And this is the accompanying chart:

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    What is price telling you here about the demand/supply equation?

    What are you going to do about it?

    And I hope that the value of looking at these timeframes in "real time" as opposed to a hindsight view of an entire day makes the worth of replay clear. One cannot trade -- or evaluate -- what one cannot see.
     
    #643     Oct 17, 2013
  4. Huyang

    Huyang

    DB: thanks for your kind help. one OCO is limit long at 3196. then Why limit long at 3196? it may test break point 3196 again.
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    Edit1: just realized DB said no buy at down move for this thread purpose. Then just the stop buy order 3198.5.
     
    #644     Oct 17, 2013
  5. llIHeroic

    llIHeroic

    Oh, my mistake. I was working off this definition:

    Definition of 'Buy Stop Order'

    An order to buy a security which is entered at a price above the current offering price. It is triggered when the market price touches or goes through the buy stop price.

    Perhaps there is a difference in terminology between trading platforms or something.

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    However, in the course of this exercise I would now be in the trade at 3197, having waited for the next minor RET and placed a buy order at one point above the top of the bar. I would be looking for a break in the purple demand line for an exit, but have noted that demand has increased even more sharply over the past few minutes with my blue line.

    In the case that I had multiple contracts active, I would look to begin scaling them out as the buying pressure begins to taper off to a more realistic level, starting with the break of the blue line.
     
    #645     Oct 17, 2013
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    The "buystop" is actually a buystoplimit, unless you want to be filled at a price considerably higher than what you intended. But that's your choice.

    Nonetheless, whether your order is filled or not, what is the last chart I posted telling you about the demand/supply balance and about what the next step in your course of action should be?
     
    #646     Oct 17, 2013
  7. niko

    niko

    As price makes a HH it tells me that buyers are still in control here. At the exact moment of the chart, we are again in the middle of a RET and our DL is still valid so the thing to do is to place a stop limit buy order again.
     
    #647     Oct 17, 2013
  8. Gringo

    Gringo

    Are you assuming here that no one's in a trade and at this moment of the freezing of this time around 0938 we're about to decide what to do?
     
    #648     Oct 17, 2013
  9. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Not necessarily "again". Placing any kind order at the open is not a wise move. If one did so anyway and it wasn't filled, then, yes, an attempt to place buystoplimit order "again" would be appropriate, particularly with the added confirmation of the breach of the last swing high, as below:

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    #649     Oct 17, 2013
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Yes.
     
    #650     Oct 17, 2013
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