Some obvious facts...

Discussion in 'Options' started by mutluit, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. trade in beta neutral ratio..... how does one beta neutralize a straddle in a high vol high beta stock.. beta being a weighting of vol of ssingle name against index... thats buying vol in single name.. you offset this by selling vol in index via a ratio formed out of the beta.. ?
     
    #11     Nov 9, 2012
  2. mutluit

    mutluit

    It simply is :D as it is the result of the standard options pricing method/model
     
    #12     Nov 9, 2012
  3. <<< - The payoff (premium) of a higher volatile options is lesser than that of a lower volatile options. >>>


    If you had substituted the word "probability" for the word "payoff", and said:
    The probability of a higher volatility trade being successful, is lesser than that for a lower volatility trade"..... that would make more sense.

    And since the "probability" of the higher volatility trade being successful is less likely, that option pays more than the less volatile trade does.
     
    #13     Nov 9, 2012
  4. mutluit

    mutluit

    But as demonstrated this is NOT the case, cf. the tables :confused:
    Compare for example just the payoffs for spotdelta 1% or 2%...
     
    #14     Nov 9, 2012
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn


    Sle, this guy's a troll. No one can be pretend to run simulations and black-scholes and be this stupid.
     
    #15     Nov 9, 2012
  6. mutluit

    mutluit

    Yeah, if arguments are out then get personal... I filed a complaint to the admin.
    The troll is yourself, as you have nothing constructive to contribute to the discussion.
     
    #16     Nov 9, 2012
  7. kapw7

    kapw7

    In the table you posted it looks like you get BS prices on the same time t, so your %payoffs are only relevant to price jumps. Obviously not impossible but it's not the most realistic simulation

    Also how often do you think the price will move (jump) 2% for a 20%vol option compared to a 40%vol one?

    If you still choose to ignore feedback from experienced posters here (def not including myself) then I'll believe too that you are trolling
     
    #17     Nov 9, 2012
  8. mutluit

    mutluit

    Sure it must be the same time in such a comparison, otherwise such a comparison wouldn't make any sense.
    The table says: if at time t the price of the underlying moved x% since opening the position then the payoff (ie. the change in premium) is that %.

    Yeah, this is a good argument and indeed debatable.

    I welcome constructive critism of my arguments as it can benefit me, and the audience, to recheck the own pov.
    It's not my intention to troll here, I just share my findings of my research and experience, and invite to a constructive discussion about these findings.
     
    #18     Nov 9, 2012
  9. Newex

    Newex

    Bit confused from what everyone is saying but my understanding is that in a volatile market the price of an out of the money option is higher that of the same option in a less volatile market .

    (in a volatile market the otm options has more chances to bocome in the money )

    So i guess i totally disagree with the topic starter
     
    #19     Nov 9, 2012
  10. mutluit

    mutluit

    I invite you, and everybody else, to just do the maths and see it yourself, please.
    There are enough online options calculators, just google.

    Especially with OTM options the advantage (ie. the profit) for low vola options is even much bigger than for ATM or ITM options.
     
    #20     Nov 9, 2012