Some obvious facts...

Discussion in 'Options' started by mutluit, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. mutluit

    mutluit

    Hmm. I get a call price of about 0.5.
    What is this ratio supposed to tell at all?
    I don't see it's importance for making different vola comparable.
     
    #101     Nov 12, 2012
  2. Payout differs by vola at implied sigmas.
     
    #102     Nov 12, 2012
  3. mutluit

    mutluit

    Why not generalise it and say "payout differs by vola at implied imagination"? :D
     
    #103     Nov 12, 2012
  4. I don't want to get into the ring here, I do that enough already, but it's fairly obvious what sle was stating. No?
     
    #104     Nov 12, 2012
  5. mutluit

    mutluit

    No, his and your calculations seem to aim exercising options,
    I on the other side am interessted profiting by trading the crap in as short a timeframe as possible (upto about 2 weeks), ie. profiting by the premium delta only.
     
    #105     Nov 12, 2012
  6. sle

    sle

    In this case, how could you ignore the implied volatility and simply use realized vol?
     
    #106     Nov 12, 2012
  7. Increase vola and calc the payout (from ATM) to 1SD. Use the same figure to calc ATM vola and 1SD for jump in vola. I thought it was a language barrier but it appears you genuinely don't get it.

    Does the payout on the ATM option increase or decrease, at 1SD, for each jump in implied vola?
     
    #107     Nov 12, 2012
  8. mutluit

    mutluit

    I'm doing nothing else since the very beginning.
    The only difference is: I didn't use SD, rather took a realistic spotdelta of say 3% and so compared them with each other.
    And in such a comparison a low vola option gives more than a high vola option. That was my whole point.

    will answer your other example shortly...
     
    #108     Nov 12, 2012
  9. mutluit

    mutluit


    Ok, when using StdDev as the "borderline" then high vola gives indeed some more profit for Calls, BUT the profit of lowvola Puts is higher!

    Summary:
    C@+1SD: lovola=66.6% profit vs hivola=70.1% profit
    P@-1SD: lovola=60.1% profit vs hivola=57.1% profit

    Code:
    Spot=100.000 Strike=100.00 ExpDays=40 HoldDays=10 IRpct=0.000000% VolaPctS=20.00000%  -->  Call=3.171736  Put=3.171736
    Day 10: Annual          : Vola=20.00%   +1SD=22.14%     -1SD=-18.13%
            Daily           : Vola=1.26%    +1SD=1.27%      -1SD=-1.25%
            Period(10 days) : Vola=3.98%    +1SD=4.06%      -1SD=-3.90%     C@+1SD=5.2852(66.6%)    C@-1SD=1.1809(-62.8%)   P@+1SD=1.2288(-61.3%)   P@-1SD=5.0791(60.1%)
    
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    Spot=100.000 Strike=100.00 ExpDays=40 HoldDays=10 IRpct=0.000000% VolaPctS=40.00000%  -->  Call=6.338451  Put=6.338451
    Day 10: Annual          : Vola=40.00%   +1SD=49.18%     -1SD=-32.97%
            Daily           : Vola=2.51%    +1SD=2.55%      -1SD=-2.48%
            Period(10 days) : Vola=7.95%    +1SD=8.28%      -1SD=-7.64%     C@+1SD=10.7818(70.1%)   C@-1SD=2.3132(-63.5%)   P@+1SD=2.5046(-60.5%)   P@-1SD=9.9576(57.1%)
    
     
    #109     Nov 12, 2012
  10. mutluit

    mutluit

    No, no, I'm not fixated at HV, it is just an orientation, in reality I start at HV and inc or dec it, ie. using such input params:
    VolaAtStart=20%, VolaOnLastHoldDay=30%
     
    #110     Nov 12, 2012