Sold Naked 20 Large SP500 1130 Call Index Options

Discussion in 'Options' started by increasenow, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Actually I think that estimate was wrong... I was hoping you had that info and were just engaging the ET readership...

    Try this out -

    1130X100X.15X20= 339K - their last bit is hard to calculate, not sure how that works... either way its a lot of money parked for a 3% or so return..

    Margin:
    Purchases of puts or calls with 9 months or less until expiration must be paid for in full. Writers of uncovered puts or calls must deposit / maintain 100% of the option proceeds* plus 15% of the aggregate contract value (current index level x $100) minus the amount by which the option is out-of-the-money, if any, subject to a minimum for calls of option proceeds* plus 10% of the aggregate contract value and a minimum for puts of option proceeds* plus 10% of the aggregate exercise price amount. (*For calculating maintenance margin, use option current market value instead of option proceeds.) Additional margin may be required pursuant to Exchange Rule 12.10.

    http://www.cboe.com/products/indexopts/spx_spec.aspx

    See also:

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_requirements_of_margin_in_put_options_writing
     
    #11     Dec 18, 2009
  2. I'm probably wasting my time even writing this but how about thinking how much you could lose also? 11k is only collecting an insurance premium against a catastrophic loss. You can make this trade many times successfully and still not have enough money to cover 1 big loss. Still sound like a good strategy to you? Maybe, maybe not but you'd need a lot more capital than $300K to last any length of time.

    Selling options = limited gain, unlimited loss. One big hit and you give back all your profits plus your principal plus anything else you might own of value! BANG BANG BANG

    99% probability that this thread is heading for Chit-Chat! Those are odds I would place money on.
     
    #12     Dec 18, 2009
  3. you may be right...probably better to throw 10 cars at the ES with a really small daytrade margin and go for 10 points or so
     
    #13     Dec 18, 2009
  4. I think a whole lot of people would be very happy with a 3% return in 4 days. Even if held for one week, $11,000 per week would be an annual return of 174%...without compounding.
     
    #14     Dec 18, 2009
  5. 174% per year would not even lift my eyebrow. Think about the risk.
     
    #15     Dec 18, 2009
  6. go ahead and try it for awhile and let us know how it turns out. you probably have just stumbled onto the holy grail of trading thanks to increasenow and this thread. i'm sure the 3% is free money right?
     
    #16     Dec 18, 2009
  7. donnap

    donnap

    Think about thinking about the risk. Yeah, if you've got a few million to play with - no biggie.

    But if you've barely got the margin - well - to carry this trade over a few days would be hell.
     
    #17     Dec 18, 2009
  8. That's not a 3% return. You have to adjust for expected value of the loss as well as the gain.

    ie, 70% chance of keeping all of the money (3%) + 30% of losing a lot more....

    ie:

    .7 * 11000 + .3 * -110000 = 7700 - 33000 = Expected gain = -25300.

    Fill in the blanks with proper probabilities and returns.
     
    #18     Dec 18, 2009
  9. I have been doing this for 6 months. You need alot of margin maint money to make this woth your time. The returns are small.
     
    #19     Dec 19, 2009