socialism in America.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by zdreg, Mar 21, 2018.

is socialism coming to America?

Poll closed Apr 30, 2018.
  1. yes

    12 vote(s)
    41.4%
  2. no

    9 vote(s)
    31.0%
  3. yes in the form of crony capitalism

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  4. yes in the form of too much regulation

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%
  1. Certainly a good man!

     
    #301     Apr 5, 2018
  2. Our imbalanced tax code is the culprit for the demands from the left. Avenues open to wealthy citizens don’t exist for the lower class. If the funds were obtained through a flat tax across the board, we wouldn’t have this problem. But the law, is the law. Until it’s changed, the government can’t just decide it wants to extract legitimately obtained assets. That’s a criminal act. Blame the government, not the wealthy.
     
    #302     Apr 5, 2018
  3. Humpy

    Humpy

    Lets face it the rich not only stick together to keep their wealth but can afford to hire the best accountants etc. to hide it.
    Well wouldn't you ?
     
    #303     Apr 5, 2018
  4. Sig

    Sig

    Your grasp on who passes laws and how in the U.S. is frighteningly bad. "The government" is what passes and changes laws, pretty much by definition! If congress "just decides" it wants a 100% inheritance tax over the first $1M, they pass a law to say that. If the President signs it, then it's the law, regardless of if you think it's "extracting legitimately obtained assets" or anything else. By your logic, you would then be a "criminal" if you continued to think the inheritance tax was "extracting legitimately obtained assets" after such a law was passed, and you should be put to death for advocating that position. If you can't see what a dystopian viewpoint that is, spend a little time in a dictatorship and let us all know if your viewpoint changes!
     
    #304     Apr 5, 2018
  5. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

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    #305     Apr 5, 2018
  6. This would trigger a catastrophic civil unrest, and the government would be overthrown by its citizens, while the military steps back or joins in.
     
    #306     Apr 5, 2018
  7. Sig

    Sig

    Have you ever noticed you can be more than a bit hyperbolic? If you seriously believe this you probably need to get out a bit more. Having served, I can't think of a single person in the military who would kill a fellow citizen over a tax on estates over $1M passed by congress and signed by the President, let alone anyone but a few batshit crazy survivalists who would "rise up" against it. You severely overestimate your fellow countryman's desire to lay down their lives and their kids lives for the multimillionaire's kids in the country! Hint, not many revolutions get started to protest the mistreatment of the rich, so good luck with that. The level of violence you espouse and anti-democratic rhetoric is both frightening and tellingly it's something I've never seen in someone who has themselves been subject to violence. Easy to be a tough guy on your mom's couch or running around in the woods in second hand camo with a paint gun, not so much when real people start getting torn apart.

    Again @tomorton where's your outrage against dictatorship and "banning competing political ideologies" when this kind of nonsense get espoused by the people railing against socialism? Are you sure you're on the right side?
     
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    #307     Apr 5, 2018
  8. tomorton

    tomorton


    In one sense there is no difference between a socialist party state and a fascist party state - they both ban other parties on ideological grounds.

    For the oppressed individual within the state, there is no practical difference, so I would support opposition to both.
     
    #308     Apr 5, 2018
  9. Sig

    Sig

    And yet you don't criticize posts by those who share your political viewpoint, and you accuse those on the other size of desiring a dictatorial state. That says a lot.
     
    #309     Apr 5, 2018
  10. tomorton

    tomorton


    If anyone proposes a fascist state I would have to oppose it.
     
    #310     Apr 5, 2018