I think you are referring to the Soviet era in Russia and Mao in China. When a small clique took absolute power. Definitely nothing to do with real socialism. Name only.
i refereed to your request reading marx as a prerequisite to intelligent conversation and i responded but and soviets and china and cuba and a lot of other shit-hole countries have a lot to do with real socialism, and do not forget that socialism in Marx's version is a government's ownership of the means of production, so the Russians played exactly by Marx's theory and nowhere Marx referred to a liberal democracy - read fucken Marx and his ideas about dictatorship of the proletariat and i definitely have comments about what u trying to explain to me about uk version its just to lengthy to write so long
u confusing one thing they were never communist if u know what communism is about and they knew it and never referred to themselves as communist society and even as they called themselves communists and the party was Communist party communism was a goal (never achieved anywhere) they referred to themselves as socialist society and they were true socialist
Well, on the one hand I'm being told that countries that describe themselves as socialist in their titles, constitutions and in general communications aren't really and countries which were pointed out to me that I thought were socialist were actually communist, but now you say they weren't communist at all. So, from your point of view, what are/were the significant countries which would you list as socialist and as communist?
The problem with the socialists here is that they think that "just because" Ayn Rand lived under a communist regime, her visions towards socialism are "too radical". So it is only logical to conclude that they would think the same thing about you too... After all, they are the intellectuals that read and "really understand" Marx...