Socialism for the rich, free market darwinism for the poor & middle class

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Cutten, Mar 16, 2008.

  1. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    A lot of people do not realize how bad things are. Imagine this just for a second - FED had to invoke a law from 1930s to be able to help the investment banks.

    As much as I despise executives large bonuses that are totally not warranted in light of what was done with OTC derivatives, but to let all these institutions to melt would be a disaster.

    If it ever happens, a lot of laws would change. One of them could be 1:1 margin for any product, tons of regulations that could prevent people like us to trade and so on.

    Yes, it is unfair that these institutions being bailed out, but this is not a fair world last time I checked.

    The only things we really need to concentrate is how to profit from all this turmoil.

    Regards,
    redduke
     
    #51     Mar 19, 2008
  2. taxes should promote savings and research activities. money supply needs to be controlled.

    maybe the fed should watch money supply and risk spreads more closely than inflation and growth rates.
     
    #52     Mar 19, 2008
  3. Mvic

    Mvic

    JPM saying that gov mortgage bailout is the only way. They want their cake and to eat it too.
     
    #53     Mar 19, 2008
  4. Raul641

    Raul641

    In today's news: "If big Wall Street investment houses are allowed to run to the Federal Reserve for emergency lending, they must face stepped-up regulation, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson declared Wednesday..."

    :D

    Only a week later. They should start sending me checks, so I can do this full-time...
     
    #54     Mar 26, 2008
  5. they should send me money cuss if i run into financial trouble pepsi might go bankrupt!
     
    #55     Mar 26, 2008
  6. Cutten

    Cutten

    Since I am more familiar with the UK central banking system than US, and you've worked with US govt securities trading, I passed on this when you challenged me. After a bit of research, it turns out you were totally fabricating this claim that the US taxpayer does not fund the Fed.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aN.cnCGH92GQ&refer=home

    "``The fact that Treasury and Congress have been unwilling or unable to be proactive and provide a solution that involves putting taxpayer money at risk means that the Fed has had to take more measures itself, also putting taxpayer money at risk,'' said Laurence Meyer, a *FORMER FED GOVERNOR" - bloomberg.com (my emphasis)

    ``Americans are being asked to back a brand-new kind of transaction, to the tune of tens of billions of dollars,'' Baucus said in a statement today. ``It's the Finance Committee's responsibility to pin down just how the government decided to front $30 billion in taxpayer dollars for the Bear Stearns deal, and to monitor the changing terms of the sale.''

    That's Max Baucus, Senate Finance Committee Chairman.

    "Any such losses would hurt the Fed's balance sheet, and ultimately the taxpayer, because they would reduce the stipend the Fed pays to the Treasury from earnings on its portfolio. The dividend was $29 billion in 2006." - Bloomberg News

    If a former Fed Governor, Bloomberg News, and the Senate Finance Committee Chairman say that the taxpayer backs Fed bailouts, doesn't that contradict your claim that "there's not an iota of public funds involved in this deal"?

    Can you explain your totally made-up "refutation"? Either you don't have any idea how the Fed is funded (unlikely as a former CBOT bond futures trader), all these Fed experts are totally wrong, or you were deliberately trying to discredit my POV with falsehoods.
     
    #56     Mar 26, 2008
  7. They paid a STIPEND of $29 billion from EARNINGS ON IT'S PORTFOLIO?

    What was the TOTAL earnings, and what is the value of the whole portfolio??

    If the taxpayer is footing the BSC bailout via the "hidden tax" of having our purchasing power diminished (inflation), then the line that

    "The Fed is the lender of last resort" should be changed to
    "The Taxpayer is the unwitting lender of last resort".
     
    #57     Mar 26, 2008
  8. mokwit

    mokwit

    The Resolution Trust was considered a "success" because the taxpayer eventually had to absorb "only" USD75bn of losses.


    PS Why can't we all go long gold futures as it seems gold will just go up forever (like housing) and if we get margin called we can call on the Fed can step in and pay our broker and if it eventually turns around they get to keep any profits made. Obviously we get to keep any profits if we are right. Seems to be within the spirit of what's going on.
     
    #58     Mar 26, 2008
  9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

    Budget
    The Federal Reserve is self-funded. The vast majority (90%+) of Fed revenues come from open market operations, specifically the interest on the portfolio of Treasury securities as well as “capital gains/losses” that may arise from the buying/selling of the securities and their derivatives as part of Open Market Operations. The balance of revenues come from sales of financial services (check and electronic payment processing) and discount window loans.[68]

    Even if the BSC portfolio was worthless the 30b wouldn't break the Fed. The Fed's assets are 800b.

     
    #59     Mar 27, 2008
  10. Humpy

    Humpy

    Lets face it the rich are riding on the backs of the people at the bottom of the heap. When they start to give up under the burden its really time for the rich to worry. USA's richest Buffett and Gates can see the wisdom of this obvious statement and dont even disagree.
    Time for a long overdue change in the USA and Europe. I'm not suggesting Bolshevism, Trotskyism etc. just plain common sense.
    Why give so much extra to the obese. Share it around imho
     
    #60     Mar 28, 2008