Social Security Sinking Us Sooner Than Thought

Discussion in 'Economics' started by pspr, May 1, 2009.

  1. Is your I.Q. "3" as in your acronym?

    The Bush Social Security plan merely gave those paying into the system the option of placing a portion of their funds into equities. Perhaps you're too ignorant to realize this but since the aftermath of the election Treasury Bonds are down 20% in price from their late year highs.

    If social security money flowed into equities the chances of big stock corrections WOULD BE MITIGATED. The market is an auction dumb fuck.

    The Bush plan also gave people portability. Want to know the chances of a black guy living long enough to see a Social Security check? But idf those funds could be passed down to his kids maybe just maybe you could ease the cycle of poverty. But why do that? If blacks ever made it OFF THE PLANTATION then who else would elect Democrats?


     
    #41     May 3, 2009
  2. Mnphats

    Mnphats


    Your blatant hatred gets in the way of your thought processes. I will gladly take the money that I pay in to a inherently bankrupt system and invest it how I see fit. Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone cant.
     
    #42     May 3, 2009
  3. pspr

    pspr

    That would be the millions of illegal immigrants Obama is going to give US citizenship. Of course, since the liberals keep trying to block passage of an ID requirement for voting, they probably all voted in the last election.
     
    #43     May 3, 2009
  4. Mnphats

    Mnphats


    I agree. There needs to be a certain amount of deflation and in the long run will be healthy. Housing, college and many consumer staples. For instance, I was in line to pay for gas today and decided to buy something to drink, for the love of god a buck 50 for a bottle of fricking coke. :confused: :D
     
    #44     May 3, 2009
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    I could not agree more that that is the danger here. We'll be calling on our central bankers buddies around the world to support the dollar and help us walk a tight rope between deflation and excessive inflation. It sure won't be easy, but we have our creditors over a bit of a barrel in my view. Interest rates will rise. Will it be enough to completely stifle growth?
     
    #45     May 4, 2009
  6. "Deflation" is the natural correction to the inflation created by the Fed. It's a healthy, good thing (except in the eyes of a spendthrift government).

    There would BE no deflation nor inflation, if the Fed and government didn't SCREW WITH THE MONEY!!

    All of the inflation/deflation, boom/bust cycles have always been intentional... ORCHESTRATED... except this time they pushed the boom too far and it got out of hand... credit ran to exhaustion.... BIG mistake.

    :mad:
     
    #46     May 4, 2009
  7. precifus: NO
    precipice: YES
     
    #47     May 4, 2009
  8. piezoe

    piezoe

    We can have this endless debate re SS based on political philosophy or we can look at facts: The SS system as it now functions won't work for low wage earners if we have the option of diverting some funds elsewhere, as it requires widespread participation to provide its full actuarial benefits. Unfortunately, after entitlement contributions, the low wage earner does not have enough disposable income to even consider establishing a meaningful supplemental retirement program. Nor do many have the financial sophistication to make sound investment decisions on their own.

    The let-Wall-Street-in-on-the-action crowd says workers will be protected by having the government step in and regulate the choices for their supplemental plans. But then if you are going to limit choice while subjecting participants to more risk, what is the point? I understand that the idea was to allow a portion of what would otherwise be SS contributions be diverted to other plans, and so one could argue that the low wage worker can therefore afford alternative investment -- but this argument ignores reality, viz., those totally dependent on SS for retirement income can not afford the additional risk!

    SS trades lower contributions, ones that those at the low end of the wage scale can barely afford, for lack of an estate to leave to ones heirs and for a benefit that can't be outlived. That seems to me a reasonable trade-off. It also provides, and this is very important, some built in disability benefits -- benefits that would otherwise have to be purchased from private insurers.

    All the rest of us, those not at the low end of the wage scale, have the option of investing additional money as we see fit -- 401K, 403b, IRA, private brokerage account, etc.

    Though it is obvious why Wall Street and the Insurance industry will stop at nothing to discredit Social Security, even if they have to lie by calling it a Ponzi Scheme, etc., it seems to me that we already have the best compromise -- a government protected basic retirement benefit that is "portable" and protected against "big stock corrections", and in addition the option to invest as much as we like and assume as much risk as we want to assume.

     
    #48     May 4, 2009
  9. Mnphats

    Mnphats



    Social Security is straight forward, young pay for the old. Many more old then young. It will not work in the long run without major a overhaul. Like it or not. Not to mention when enacted it was never meant to serve as retirement income.
     
    #49     May 4, 2009
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    I understand why you would think a major overhaul is needed, because that is the common misconception promulgated by Wall Street and the Insurance companies. And you are certainly correct that some adjustments are needed, and needed now and not later, to adjust for changing demographics in the US. But they are in truth quite minor and easily accomplished (except perhaps politically). It is a common misconception that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme whereby the young pay the retirement of the old and there will be nothing left for the young when they reach retirement. In fact SS is based on sound actuarial principles, though the system must be adjusted from time to time, as any such system..

    You might get the idea that i am a socialist, but i am not. I am a realist, and i would reluctantly part with some individual freedom to avoid the specter of large numbers of destitute old folks eating cat food. I also firmly believe that Social Security is not such a bad deal for any of us except perhaps for the very wealthy, and even they reap some benefits. It is a rather sensible trade-off in my opinion.
     
    #50     May 5, 2009